$1,500 dollar wax??!?!?1

Dylan06SS said:
I remember watching a video of a guy using vintage on a veyron and he would rub it together in his bare hands and spread it on without an applicator... is that the way you have to apply it or is that just something that guy did??



Also, post up some pics of your ride... I'd like to see what a car treated with $1800 wax looks like. :bigups





Zymol says to apply there estate glazes with the palms of your hands. It is what they say to use from titanium to royal. the reason being is that the carnumba content is so high you need to melt it in our hands before you applyit.



If this is true or not is a whole spreate issue that has been largley debated since the topic of vintage started.

However it is how they say to apply it.. and it is kinda fun to "massage" the paint
 
calgarydetail said:
However it is how they say to apply it.. and it is kinda fun to "massage" the paint



My neighbors already think I'm nuts b/c I'm ALWAYS out in the garage detailing... the last thing I need is them to see me giving cars a bare handed rub down... they'll have me commited :LOLOL
 
All of you are right! If someone is happy with spending that kind of money on something then why shouldnt they. I would love to treat my car to some 1500 or 7500 dollar wax. But within the budget i have at the moment i cant. I am sure that sometime in my life my curiosity will by aroused and with some extra money i will splurge on some of this VERY expensive wax. Or maybe ile splurge sooner and get the cheaper (i cant beleive im saying its cheaper even though its still a few hundred) waxes like destiny or titanium. Actually i was thinking about getting the titanium or asking for it for christmas or something. Well, even though we were "beating the dead horse" i learned a lot on this thread and i hope you guys did to, after all that is the reason we go to this forum.
 
Dylan06SS said:
My neighbors already think I'm nuts b/c I'm ALWAYS out in the garage detailing... the last thing I need is them to see me giving cars a bare handed rub down... they'll have me commited :LOLOL





ohh cumon. if they ask just say you are pacticing your massage skills for your SO.

they will think its a great idea and come help... ok maybe not but hey they wll think you a romantic :2thumbs:



Also if you want to try it with a less expensive, yet still good wax give victoria wax a try. It is a soft wax like zymol, give awsome results (do a search others can vouch) and can e applied with your palms....
 
baseballlover1 said:
I was thinking more on the subject of zymol today,the question formed in my mind "Are car makers such as porsche, ferrari and other high end car manufacterer's paints that much different to require a different wax or polish??" ...
Car makers make cars. Making cars involves activities like stamping sheet metal, casting bulk metal, machining parts, assembling mechanicals, laying up composites, stitching upholstery, applying paint and so on.



Car makers do not make paint. Chemical companies make paint. Car companies buy paint from chemical companies.



There are many factors that play into what paint company a given manufacturer chooses to work with, what paint system they use and how they set up their paint line.



Paint systems and application processes not only vary from one car or paint company to next but can also vary within a single car company from one factory to the next or even within a given factory from one production run to the next. They certainly change over time within any factory due to coating technology shifts, manufacturing process improvements, tightening environmental restrictions, corporate supply chain contracts and many other reasons.



That’s why it’s not realistic to make blanket statements about paint from one car company or another. At most, you can make approximations based on previous experience.



It’s also why I have to agree with Accumulator in the belief that marque specific waxes more marketing than chemistry.







baseballlover1 said:
...Like i thought about getting the destiny as a "gift" to some of my best customers in PCA ...
You’d have to do a lot of details to cover the cost of giving a client Destiny. I’d suggest considering Glasur instead. It would still be a very nice gesture, it will cost you much less and Zymol tout’s Glasur’s effects on Porsches. (I know what I said about this sort of thing earlier but this is marketing that we’re talking about here.)







PC.
 
the other pc said:
Car makers make cars. Making cars involves activities like stamping sheet metal, casting bulk metal, machining parts, assembling mechanicals, laying up composites, stitching upholstery, applying paint and so on.



Car makers do not make paint. Chemical companies make paint. Car companies buy paint from chemical companies.



There are many factors that play into what paint company a given manufacturer chooses to work with, what paint system they use and how they set up their paint line.



Paint systems and application processes not only vary from one car or paint company to next but can also vary within a single car company from one factory to the next or even within a given factory from one production run to the next. They certainly change over time within any factory due to coating technology shifts, manufacturing process improvements, tightening environmental restrictions, corporate supply chain contracts and many other reasons.



That’s why it’s not realistic to make blanket statements about paint from one car company or another. At most, you can make approximations based on previous experience.



It’s also why I have to agree with Accumulator in the belief that marque specific waxes more marketing than chemistry.







You’d have to do a lot of details to cover the cost of giving a client Destiny. I’d suggest considering Glasur instead. It would still be a very nice gesture, it will cost you much less and Zymol tout’s Glasur’s effects on Porsches. (I know what I said about this sort of thing earlier but this is marketing that we’re talking about here.)







PC.





O no im sorry i didnt mean GIVING them the wax, i meant getting it for their car when they got them detailed. I was specific there sorry. But yea i was also thinking about glasur too, but i dont know if i really want to take the time to actually massage the paint by hand unless it would literally make the finish A LOT better!
 
The number 1 rule of business is: Price your product as high as the market will possibly bear it.



In Zymol's case, each of their products is priced exactly that way. Since most of us aren't even their target demographic, the fact that their prices are impossible/improbable for us to bear isn't a surprise at all. It is meant to be that way.



It's as simple as that.
 
baseballlover1 said:
O no im sorry i didnt mean GIVING them the wax, i meant getting it for their car when they got them detailed. ...
Either way, same rules apply. You compare cost and benefit and the benefit better outweigh the cost by a wide margin.



Some people think that higher end Zymol products are the greatest thing ever and worth every penny. Others think they’re pretty neat but not necessarily better than others. Some don’t see what the fuss is all about. You’d need to know your customers well enough to know where they stand.



baseballlover1 said:
...But yea i was also thinking about glasur too, but i dont know if i really want to take the time to actually massage the paint by hand unless it would literally make the finish A LOT better!
“Giving� Zymol as part of your provided service using their “by hand� application method rather than machine can mean a huge loss in productivity. You’d need to factor that into your cost of doing business and subsequent pricing.





PC.
 
calgarydetail said:
ohh cumon. if they ask just say you are pacticing your massage skills for your SO.



The xk8 and xkr are so smooth and sexy, they deserve to be massaged by hand (I have a black xkr). In fact, when I show my car to people, a lot of them cannot keep their greasy, finger-print ridden hands off of it. :angry
 
I waited *all day* yesterday for The Accumulator's reply. I thought this thread had run its course; Walk away one day and look........3 more pages. You should see how many times this subject has gone around, as well as the validity of most of Zymol's products in general.



Let's cut to the chase. There is only one way (right Accumulator pal?) that anyone will be able to discern whether this or any product will perform, and/or whether its worth the cost for the individual.........
 
jedovaty said:
The xk8 and xkr are so smooth and sexy, they deserve to be massaged by hand (I have a black xkr). In fact, when I show my car to people, a lot of them cannot keep their greasy, finger-print ridden hands off of it. :angry



i take care of a red xk8 so i know what you mean. I thought i would buy concours for it and was not disapointed. To the point where this year i plan on buying vintage for the other 6 family cars. I have 7 family cars plus a few others i have trades storage for details (what a trade eh) so i have aout 10 cars if not more i take care on a regular basis so i think icould get some use outa vintage.



But yes the xkr is a nice ride especily in black.. if you want to see what concours can do to jaguar paint let me know and iwill send you some links topics
 
If you want to try zymöl there is a cheaper way to do it. :D



A few years ago I bought a zymöl introductory kit that included, 5 oz. HD Cleanse, 5 oz. Clear, 4 oz. of Destiny, 4 oz. of Vintage and 4 oz. of Atlantique. It cost me $195 at the time. I still have over half a container of each of the waxes. Pretty cheap considering the price of the waxes bought separately.



I’m a big fan of all zymöl waxes.
 
gfspencer said:
If you want to try zymöl there is a cheaper way to do it. :D



A few years ago I bought a zymöl introductory kit ...



Welcome to Autopia!



AFAIK they no longer sell that intro kit with the Estate Glazes :(
 
i just saw a video of a guy using the royale or whatever the most expensive was and it looked pharelly (sp) easy... but then i thought about the carnouba drying before wiping it off. Wouldnt it be very hard to get off if it dries. Plus, since it has to be applied by hand wouldnt it be a little ...bad (for want of a better word) trying to get the wax off your hand and then wipe paint off with the MF?



any opinions? or corrections?
 
baseballlover1 said:
i just glanced at zymol's website and i dont know if anyone has seen there prices, but they have wax for 1500, 500, 300, and 100 (those are guesses but they do have close to that, like teh 1500 is for real).



.... has any1 ever seen these products? are they reallly THAT good? because thats rediculous!



Who in their right friggin' mind would pay that kinda clams for a car wax???











































Oh, that's right.... me. :)



As has been mentioned before, these kind of threads are less than a dime a dozen here on Autopia... the search button is truly your best friend. Well, second best, maybe... ok, in the top ten, at least.
 
baseballlover1 said:
i just saw a video of a guy using the royale or whatever the most expensive was and it looked pharelly (sp) easy... but then i thought about the carnouba drying before wiping it off. Wouldnt it be very hard to get off if it dries. Plus, since it has to be applied by hand wouldnt it be a little ...bad (for want of a better word) trying to get the wax off your hand and then wipe paint off with the MF?



any opinions? or corrections?



Yup, that's why you don't wait until it totally dries before you wipe it off. The whole process is very easy.
 
SuperBee364- Blatantly off-topic Q...I lost track of the thread where I'd asked this and I keep forgetting:



Are you still using ONR or have you gone to a touchless wash or what?



Sorry folks, I possibly shoulda PMed him :o
 
Ah, no worries, man. :)



I'm using my touchless method with the pressure washer and the foam cannon most of the time. I am still ecstatic about the results I get using this method with Vintage as the LSP. I'm still able to get my car *completely* clean without putting any sort of wash media against my precious clear coat.



I was dabbling in the dark art of rinseless washes to see if they would be viable alternatives during the winter. I've had great results with them, but I still remain leery of touching my car with any media at all, so most of the time I pull out the pressure washer.



An ONR wash followed by a quick-detailing with ONE works very well over the top of Vintage. This is going to be my winter time process.



I've replaced Field Glaze with ONE as my quick (slow) detailer for use with Vintage. I've used it to modify my drying technique a bit. Instead of using just a plain WW to dry, I've been spraying a light coat of ONE on the car, then using the WW to dry. I'm planning on getting a leaf blower next spring so that the whole process is completely touchless.
 
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