latte hiatus
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I don't suppose that the lifetime refills are transferable? You can't simply sell the container to another person if you decide it's not for you?
$1,500 dollar wax??!?!?1
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Accumulator
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OK, let me beat the dead horse a little more...if only to save myself a search 
I vaguely recall the previous answers to this Q anyhow:
What *IS* the appreciable difference between Royale and Vintage?
Since a jar of Souveran lasts me many, many years, the refills on the Vintage wouldn't be much of a factor to me...and I hesitate to spend the money just to try it out. I have some pretty personal/subjective notions about how I want the XJS to look and even if it's the greatest stuff ever I might not like its appearance :nixweiss
And no, I'm not gonna try their lesser waxes, I've seen them on enough cars to know I'd rather just use Souveran.
I vaguely recall the previous answers to this Q anyhow:What *IS* the appreciable difference between Royale and Vintage?
Since a jar of Souveran lasts me many, many years, the refills on the Vintage wouldn't be much of a factor to me...and I hesitate to spend the money just to try it out. I have some pretty personal/subjective notions about how I want the XJS to look and even if it's the greatest stuff ever I might not like its appearance :nixweiss
And no, I'm not gonna try their lesser waxes, I've seen them on enough cars to know I'd rather just use Souveran.
the other pc
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Ya know, that may be the one horse we haven't beaten to death. I can't remember if that's been mentioned or not.latte hiatus said:
If nobody chimes in on that I may have to call Zymol again and ask.
On the other stuff, it really is worth doing a search. Try searches for "royale", "estate glaze" and other Zymolesque verbiage. Some of the discussions we've had in the past have been very enlightening. (Much better than the :argue you get on most boards. Well, we've had a couple of those too.
)PC.
imported_memnuts
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Was it not stated in the past that Zymol re-filling policy is null and void if product is used in a commercial manner (i.e detailing shop)? :nixweiss
the other pc
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Nope.blkZ28Conv said:
They encourage it.
PC.
trhland
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Accumulator said:OK, let me beat the dead horse a little more...if only to save myself a search
What *IS* the appreciable difference between Royale and Vintage?
Since a jar of Souveran lasts me many, many years, the refills on the Vintage wouldn't be much of a factor to me...and I hesitate to spend the money just to try it out. I have some pretty personal/subjective notions about how I want the XJS to look and even if it's the greatest stuff ever I might not like its appearance :nixweiss
And no, I'm not gonna try their lesser waxes, I've seen them on enough cars to know I'd rather just use Souveran.
i gree . sig series 2 is awesome as well i use that and love it
imported_Picus
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brwill2005 said:
It depends on the business.
brwill2005 said:
It can. Some of the EG's and Swissvax waxes clean up much better than most, if not all, less expensive sealants/waxes I've used. I believe Superbee has documented this. For my maintenance clients it makes my life easier, and their car look better.
Jakerooni said:
Not much. 44oz would cover something like 200 applications, actually probably even more but we will be conservative. At 200 applications that's $35 an application. Most guys with high end cars will willingly spend an additional $35 for something like Royale. It gets even better; charge $50 extra to use Vintage (well worth it for many of them), and you make $5,000 on a $1500 tub of wax.
blkZ28Conv said:
If you aren't a Zymol Authorized Detailer and they find out, yes.
the other pc said:
Not anymore. They may have in the past, but now they will cancel the refill policy unless you are an authorized detailer, which requires something like $10000 up front and ~$2000 a year.
Personally I think if you're going to do "high end" detailing the best bet (if you use these kinds of waxes) is to buy them straight up, charge more, then buy more with the profit. Like I said above, charging even $20 more an application for Vintage (which imo, is too little since just the TIME involved using it is more than a regular wax), will net you ~$2000 a tub, which means you just buy more when it's gone and you've made $500 profit.
FWIW, I usually don't charge more to use the Swissvax and Zymol stuff I have. It's sort of a marquee thing; whatever one might think of it guys with Ferrari's, Lambo's, etc seem to like the idea of someone waxing their car with their hands with a $1000 wax. Just sayin'.
imported_Picus
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tabinha said:
I think your understanding might be a little off base. I regularly get 5 weeks from Concours, 6 weeks from Concorso, and similar from Mystery and Destiny.
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They might be but I'm a sealant man and happy to pay 27 to 60 dollars for glare, fireglaze plus single strength, permagard, zaino, wolfgang and other sealants
Gives me a year of protection without water marks, adds to the finish and my 1998 model car has more lustre than newer cars and won't ever need repainting
Gives me a year of protection without water marks, adds to the finish and my 1998 model car has more lustre than newer cars and won't ever need repainting
Accumulator
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01bluecls said:
Well, IME the durability of Souveran isn't very impressive (I've used it since forever)
That's why my wife doesn't get it on her Audi any more One of the things I don't like about Souveran is the way it tends to get a bit soft/tacky, especially when exposed to lots of heat (I know, it works better for ScottWax..on black cars in TX :nixweiss ). That, and the reputed nonstick characteristics of (some? which?) of the Zymol EGs keeps my interest piqued.
Wow I actually missed this. At this point, a few of my friends here (CalgaryDetail, Vintage, 01bluecls, Accumulator!, SuperBee364 and Mikeyc) know where I stand with this wax.
I'll tell you what I think anyways. It is Excellent. It is Well Worth The Cost. I have yet to see a competitor approach its rendering ability (outside of Vintage's siblings such as Destiny, Atlantique and Royale).
I won't necessarily advise you to try it sight unseen. It is very important to judge and evaluate some of Zymol's other waxes in order for you to determine whether you would be satisfied with the results of a good (they are all good) Zymol. I would recommend that you would try any of the HandCrafted Zymols or perhaps Titanium, Glasur or Concours, and compare either of them to their competitors to see whether they perform. If you decide that a zymol would definitely meet your objective, then you'll be safer in deciding to purchase one of their mega buck cremes.
Edit: Vintage is now $1973. 1500 dollars was its retail several years ago.
Edit 2: You only will need one or two passes (after a thorough prep) with Vintage in order to see its prowess. This is a very potent lsp.
I'll tell you what I think anyways. It is Excellent. It is Well Worth The Cost. I have yet to see a competitor approach its rendering ability (outside of Vintage's siblings such as Destiny, Atlantique and Royale).
I won't necessarily advise you to try it sight unseen. It is very important to judge and evaluate some of Zymol's other waxes in order for you to determine whether you would be satisfied with the results of a good (they are all good) Zymol. I would recommend that you would try any of the HandCrafted Zymols or perhaps Titanium, Glasur or Concours, and compare either of them to their competitors to see whether they perform. If you decide that a zymol would definitely meet your objective, then you'll be safer in deciding to purchase one of their mega buck cremes.
Edit: Vintage is now $1973. 1500 dollars was its retail several years ago.
Edit 2: You only will need one or two passes (after a thorough prep) with Vintage in order to see its prowess. This is a very potent lsp.
baseballlover1
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I was thinking more on the subject of zymol today,the question formed in my mind "Are car makers such as porsche, ferrari and other high end car manufacterer's paints that much different to require a different wax or polish??" Like i thought about getting the destiny as a "gift" to some of my best customers in PCA (porsche club of america). I have detailed a lot of porsches and i was wondering, would the wax work on the older porsches being 1 stage and also being different paint then what the waxes were designed for?
imported_truzoom
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Basecoat, singlestage, clearcoat.... it's always in the prep.
If you don't start out right, a $50,000 wax will look no better than a $3 bottle of Turtle Wax.
And I'm sorry, but I just don't understand why you have to brag about all the fancy cars you work on and the clubs you are in. Paint is paint whether it's on a Carrera GT or a Ford Escort.
(Mods- edit this if I'm out of line)
If you don't start out right, a $50,000 wax will look no better than a $3 bottle of Turtle Wax.
And I'm sorry, but I just don't understand why you have to brag about all the fancy cars you work on and the clubs you are in. Paint is paint whether it's on a Carrera GT or a Ford Escort.
(Mods- edit this if I'm out of line)
baseballlover1
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nooooo you are not out of line at all... i was out of line, i edited it and it sounds like i am not boasting as much. But hey, theres a porsche i havent detailed,the carrerra GT.
baseballlover1 said:
Not necessarily. You could use any good finishing product that you prefer. I've seen ferraris and porsche(s?) that have been detailed with a gamut of products.
Good prep work is essential in order to bring out the best paint condition before the finishing product. What you use as a finisher should rely on how well it translates a prepped surface into a brilliant finish. Its up to the individual to determine what lsp would best accomplish the task at hand.
Its the best practice to compare products (you can listen to raves, but use them for notetaking) and see which one brings the result for you in person. IMO the prep work alone will not bring out the optimal finish, so the lsp plays a very important part of a finish look (contrary to popular opinion). There can be significant differences between lsps, that is why comparison is a crutial exercise in order satisfy the finish objective anyone may have for their car.