Werkstatt Prime/Arylic Jett v2

From the discussions about AS it seems to be as finicky as SG in terms of application. Is this a correct assumption or is AS as easy to use as ShoKar. ShoKar could be left on for 30 minutes without any difficulty in buffing off. Can AS or Trigger be applied and lefted on this amount of time?



Which has the higher appearance enhancement quality? AS, AG or Trigger?



Is AS that much harder to work with than Trigger?



TIA
 
blkZ28Conv said:
From the discussions about AS it seems to be as finicky as SG in terms of application. Is this a correct assumption or is AS as easy to use as ShoKar. ShoKar could be left on for 30 minutes without any difficulty in buffing off. Can AS or Trigger be applied and lefted on this amount of time?



Which has the higher appearance enhancement quality? AS, AG or Trigger?



Is AS that much harder to work with than Trigger?



TIA



What is AS?
 
blkZ28Conv said:
From the discussions about AS it seems to be as finicky as SG in terms of application. Is this a correct assumption or is AS as easy to use as ShoKar. ShoKar could be left on for 30 minutes without any difficulty in buffing off. Can AS or Trigger be applied and lefted on this amount of time?



Which has the higher appearance enhancement quality? AS, AG or Trigger?



Is AS that much harder to work with than Trigger?



TIA



I never tried ShoKar, but AJ is really not hard to apply even with an MF like I did, it just spread around too much with the MF, which was fine, but I could not remove totally with the one MF, so I just got a new one and removed with that. Next time I will just use a foam applicator and spread the product around. I believe AJ Trigger is easier to apply with an MF and remove with the same MF, but I have not used it yet. If you get a thin enough layer on you can do another panel then come back a remove from other panel.



As for appearance enhancement I only tried AJ so far, tonight I will put some AG on. I will write a review later on tonight. Most likely AJ and AJ Trigger should be the same in appearance.



I will someday get some AJ Trigger, it should be a little bit easier to work with than AJ, but I will find out. Hopefully some who has used both can chime in.
 
John Styrnol said:
I never tried ShoKar, but AJ is really not hard to apply even with an MF like I did, it just spread around too much with the MF, which was fine, but I could not remove totally with the one MF, so I just got a new one and removed with that. Next time I will just use a foam applicator and spread the product around. I believe AJ Trigger is easier to apply with an MF and remove with the same MF, but I have not used it yet. If you get a thin enough layer on you can do another panel then come back a remove from other panel.



As for appearance enhancement I only tried AJ so far, tonight I will put some AG on. I will write a review later on tonight. Most likely AJ and AJ Trigger should be the same in appearance.



I will someday get some AJ Trigger, it should be a little bit easier to work with than AJ, but I will find out. Hopefully some who has used both can chime in.





The AJ is a little more work to apply as I use it in a WOWO method. spreading it out until it disappears. I do not like the foam applicator but I seem to be in the minority. I use a MF applicator and it goes on a little more even and to * me * is a little easier to apply. I apply a pea size amount and you will not believe how far that covers. I feel the biggest mistake is using too much and that makes it hard to remove. just remove with a MF and you are all set. I prefer to do a small area and do 2 coats at a time. with Trigger just use it on a clean well prepped surface. spray on and wipe off. it is that easy. the appearance looks the same to me. we shall see how the duarbility of Trigger is as time goes by. to be honest it is so easy to use a little durability loss would not bother me. the AJ have proved very durable for me, so I am sure the Trigger will provide ample durability for me. hope this helps out.
 
You know what is funny, I did a quick compairson today to the feel, color, smell, and yes even taste of the old AIO to Prime Strong and they seem the same.



Then I did a test pannel on my brothers 2002 Saturn and by golly they sure felt the same.



Its amazing how similar the old Klasse AIO and SG are to PS and AJ.



I even noticed that the WOWO of AJ is similar to SG. I also noticed that if I let AJ dry too long like SG it was bear in some spots to remove.



Just some random thoughts.
 
DocHoliday said:
You know what is funny, I did a quick compairson today to the feel, color, smell, and yes even taste of the old AIO to Prime Strong and they seem the same.



Then I did a test pannel on my brothers 2002 Saturn and by golly they sure felt the same.



Its amazing how similar the old Klasse AIO and SG are to PS and AJ.



I even noticed that the WOWO of AJ is similar to SG. I also noticed that if I let AJ dry too long like SG it was bear in some spots to remove.



Just some random thoughts.



Did you say they "taste" the same? I don't really want to know how you determined that but I figure there has got to be only one way. In any event, I do think there is virtually no difference, at least in performance, between SG and Jett (I have AIO but not the Prime).
 
shortspark said:
Did you say they "taste" the same? I don't really want to know how you determined that but I figure there has got to be only one way. In any event, I do think there is virtually no difference, at least in performance, between SG and Jett (I have AIO but not the Prime).

Yeah, Im Doc Holiday didnt you read? Im a cooky guy! Atleast my wife says that. I dab a bit of each on my tounge.



After looking around some more and doing some other testing today....well lets just leave it alone I dont want to start a fight.
 
DocHoliday said:
You know what is funny, I did a quick compairson today to the feel, color, smell, and yes even taste of the old AIO to Prime Strong and they seem the same.



Then I did a test pannel on my brothers 2002 Saturn and by golly they sure felt the same.



Its amazing how similar the old Klasse AIO and SG are to PS and AJ.



I even noticed that the WOWO of AJ is similar to SG. I also noticed that if I let AJ dry too long like SG it was bear in some spots to remove.



Just some random thoughts.



Yesterday I was talking to Jeff over the phone and I was told that Prime Acrylic, Prime Carnauba and Prime Strong are the outcome of a joint effort from Carlack and Jeffs Werkstatt. They are all new formula and only Jeffs Werkstatt is selling them, so it is very unlikely that the old AIO is the same as Prime Strong. Furthermore Prime Strong looks much darker IMO.
 
DocHoliday said:
You know what is funny, I did a quick compairson today to the feel, color, smell, and yes even taste of the old AIO to Prime Strong and they seem the same.



Then I did a test pannel on my brothers 2002 Saturn and by golly they sure felt the same.



Its amazing how similar the old Klasse AIO and SG are to PS and AJ.



I even noticed that the WOWO of AJ is similar to SG. I also noticed that if I let AJ dry too long like SG it was bear in some spots to remove.



Just some random thoughts.



I have both AIO and Prime and while both look pretty similar (Prime is more white than AIO is), Prime leaves the paint slicker and wetter looking. Not huge differences but noticable. SG is nothing like AJ, IMO. AJ is noticably thicker and give a lot more depth than SG. No silvery sheen when looking at black paint at an angle like I used to get with SG.



AJ is only a bear to remove if you apply it too thick. If you apply it thin, it comes off with ease whether you let it dry 30 seconds or 30 minutes. Apply it thick, and I just make a quick pass over that area with the applicator pad to knock down the thick area, then buff off. I've had enough practice now that I normally don't leave any high spots that need any extra attention.



They are similar in their acrylic base but Werkstatt gets my hard earned money these days, not Klasse. :)
 
blkZ28Conv said:
From the discussions about AJ it seems to be as finicky as SG in terms of application. Is this a correct assumption or is AJ as easy to use as ShoKar. ShoKar could be left on for 30 minutes without any difficulty in buffing off. Can AJ or Trigger be applied and lefted on this amount of time?



Which has the higher appearance enhancement quality? AJ, AG or Trigger?



Is AJ that much harder to work with than Trigger?



TIA



AJ really isn't as finicky as SG once you get the process down. After you apply AJ to a panel, use the applicator pad to knock down any high spots (without adding more product). My process is to apply in a circular pattern to a panel then without adding more AJ to the pad, I go back and forth over that panel and move on to the next. I go back and remove after applying AJ to 3-4 panels. As long as you got any thick areas of application, it wipes off pretty easily. Not Wolfgang easy but quality carnauba easy.



Shokar had a different base and thick or thin, it wiped off pretty easily. Not sure why the base was changed (it is thicker than SK) but thin wins.



AJ is applied and removed like a QD or OCW. Spray, wipe, flip, final wipe, move on. I can't tell a visual difference between Trigger and regular AJ. My understanding is that Trigger isn't trading much (if any) durability for improved ease of use. I have it on a few cars, so we'll see.



The only real downside at all is that you use a bit more Trigger than AJ to cover a car. It costs less though, but not sure if it is enough to offset the additional product you use.
 
Scottwax said:
AJ really isn't as finicky as SG once you get the process down. After you apply AJ to a panel, use the applicator pad to knock down any high spots (without adding more product). My process is to apply in a circular pattern to a panel then without adding more AJ to the pad, I go back and forth over that panel and move on to the next. I go back and remove after applying AJ to 3-4 panels. As long as you got any thick areas of application, it wipes off pretty easily. Not Wolfgang easy but quality carnauba easy.



Shokar had a different base and thick or thin, it wiped off pretty easily. Not sure why the base was changed (it is thicker than SK) but thin wins.



AJ is applied and removed like a QD or OCW. Spray, wipe, flip, final wipe, move on. I can't tell a visual difference between Trigger and regular AJ. My understanding is that Trigger isn't trading much (if any) durability for improved ease of use. I have it on a few cars, so we'll see.



The only real downside at all is that you use a bit more Trigger than AJ to cover a car. It costs less though, but not sure if it is enough to offset the additional product you use.



Several months ago I bought some AJ and AG. Both came with a sprayer attachment. If you apply AJ like a QD, ie, spray on wipe off, then what is the real difference between AJ and Trigger? I thought the new formulation was specifically made for a sprayer but as I said, the old AJ came with a sprayer too.
 
shortspark said:
Several months ago I bought some AJ and AG. Both came with a sprayer attachment. If you apply AJ like a QD, ie, spray on wipe off, then what is the real difference between AJ and Trigger? I thought the new formulation was specifically made for a sprayer but as I said, the old AJ came with a sprayer too.



The original AJ had no sprayer it is thicker. The second version which I have and wrote this review about did come with a sprayer. It is a little bit thinner and tweaked a little bit, but it is still the same as the original AJ. The new AJ Trigger is another product all together from the other two, but very similar as well. AJ Trigger comes with the sprayer, the version I have (v2) it's optional. Give Jeff a call and he will tell you more about it. The v2 version is discontinued. AJ Trigger works more like a QD than the other 2 versions.
 
Jeff sez:



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Hi Tom,



Sorry if I wasn't too clear about the new Acrylic Jett: Trigger and how it fits into our line-up. Let me elaborate!



A brief history of the product may help.



1st Generation. The original Acrylic Jett formula was released as a non-spray, traditionally-applied sealant. It quickly became our most popular product!



2nd Generation (current product). In an effort to make A.Jett even easier to apply, we tweaked the formula to help make it more sprayable (but not so much that fans of the 1st gen would be offended!). We shipped A.Jett with the standard dispensing cap and included a trigger sprayer with every bottle so that people could choose how they wished to apply it.



3rd Generation (upcoming). Even though A.Jett provides outstanding results applied either way, it is still a rather thick formula for spraying. Instead of atomizing properly, it tends to stream/spit out of the sprayer. I wanted to advance the formula to make it even quicker and easier to get that outstanding A.Jett look. In order to achieve this, we needed to reduce the viscosity to get the product to spray better, but it was imperative to maintain the same high concentration of active ingredients. So, the specific blend of ingredients needed to be tweaked to achieve the reduced viscosity. We took this as an opportunity to also explore ways to make the product even wetter and slicker. The result was the Trigger formula.



However, the original, thicker A.Jett formula is such a good product in its own right and has such a loyal following, we didn't want this new version to replace it. So, instead of having one version of A.Jett that tries to please everyone through compromises, we decided the best course of action was to offer 2 versions that compliment each other but can be maximized for their individual roles.



Acrylic Jett ... the original, thicker, non-spray, traditionally-applied sealant that has produced a loyal following of fans Acrylic Jett: Trigger ... the all-out, no-compromises, 3rd generation, fully-sprayable version



Both are independent last-step, purely-protective products which can be used directly over Prime. You do not need both. Either one alone will provide outstanding results. However, A.Jett: Trigger is so easy to use, it makes an excellent product to quickly add a full refresh layer over A.Jett, if desired (sort of like you would use the Sonus Glanz). It is a versatile product.



As always, feel free to ask any further questions.



Happy Detailing!

Jeff
 
shortspark said:
Several months ago I bought some AJ and AG. Both came with a sprayer attachment. If you apply AJ like a QD, ie, spray on wipe off, then what is the real difference between AJ and Trigger? I thought the new formulation was specifically made for a sprayer but as I said, the old AJ came with a sprayer too.



I don't apply AJ like a QD, I apply it conventionally. Trigger is noticably thinner and sprays out really well. No worry about any thick areas, on and off just like a QD. My understanding is the spray version of AJ that preceeded Trigger was not as easy to use as hoped.
 
Thanks Scott! :thx

Thin and a couple of panels at a time. I am going try that method and Flatstick's technique (MF pad and work in until almost gone). :bigups
 
I was wondering what combination would work best with a black car. Seeing as how things are, many are using Prime: Strong with Carnauba Jett. Is this better than using Prime Carnauba with Carnauba Jett?



I wasn't entirely sure if CJ is the same as AJ, with the exception of the Carnauba. Your take?



Recommendations on applying it with pad vs. PC? I was planning on purchasing a PC but it seems as if you can apply both these products by hand. I'll probably need to purchse one for busting out swirls anyway.



CJ still out of stock :(
 
tustah said:
I was wondering what combination would work best with a black car. Seeing as how things are, many are using Prime: Strong with Carnauba Jett. Is this better than using Prime Carnauba with Carnauba Jett?



I wasn't entirely sure if CJ is the same as AJ, with the exception of the Carnauba. Your take?



Recommendations on applying it with pad vs. PC? I was planning on purchasing a PC but it seems as if you can apply both these products by hand. I'll probably need to purchse one for busting out swirls anyway.



CJ still out of stock :(



I am not a huge fan of sealants on black but I do like P/AJ, pretty decent depth and a really clear wet look. CP/CJ has a richer, darker look.



CJ is a spray like AJ Trigger but it isn't as easy to use. With SJ, you spray, spread, work until nearly clear and then remove the excess. Trigger is true QD easy.
 
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