Klasse, clearcoats, and results

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schoi

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First off: Just one quick thing: I want to confirm that both of the K-twins, AIO and SG, are indeed perfectly clearcoat safe.



Second: just how much better does SG get by the layer? (I know, very much an opinion, but that's what I'm looking for. Just wanna see what all the autopians that have been using it for a while / recently used it think):D
 
SG gets noticibly better by the layer up to about 5 layers. I had over 20 layers on last year about this time and I seriously don't think the difference was worth the effort. Stop at 5 layers.



AIO and SG are 100% clearcoat safe. Nobody here would use it if it were otherwise.
 
That was my thinking, about being totally safe for clear coats. I was like, "well, hey, if all the autopians use it, then it's gotta be okay." hehe...



Noticeably better, huh... Sounds great. Can't wait to see how it looks compared to the 7/26 combo I've got going right now.



If I were to start this weekend and get the second layer of SG on, say, Wednesday night, could I do the third coat on Thursday without washing or should I wash prior to each application? I'm thinking wash.
 
I wash between coats. I guess you could just QD if it wasn't raining or anything... Washing doesn't take that long though. Its best to be the safest.
 
I think the term "clearcoat safe" is pretty much standardized to mean that the product does not have strong abrasives in it. For example, some fiberglass polishes say they can be used on enamels and stuff like that, but specifically say not to use them on clearcoated paint. Protect All makes a product like this for example. Even my DACP says it's clearcoat safe.



Happy Klassing! :wavey
 
Okay Guys:



Another simple amateur question....I am sure you all of sick of these.



I downloaded all the Zaino stuff a few weeks ago, but I am liking the thought of becoming a "Klasser", both for the raving I read here about it, and also because of the ease....it seems like less work....and the SG can be layered many times....NOW, for the stupid question....once your 6 months to a year is up and you want to redo the AIO and SG, how do you get the stuff off???:nixweiss :confused: :bow



Thanks:xyxthumbs
 
Well, I dunno. Try searching for the info... I still need to do that, myself.



Maybe try posting in the main forum? More people would probably see your post that way, I'm sure one/some of them could help you more than I can. :bounce
 
The Autopia University forum is just as viewed as the main detailing forum if not more. A search will usually answer your questions about Klasse and Zaino though.



You have to remember that after 6 months the Klasse is going to have worn off naturally. There isn't any reason to remove what has already worn off. You would probably have to be adding another layer of SG every 4 or 5 months anyway if you wanted to maintain the look of the Klasse. Its not hard to remove by yourself if you need to though.



Dawn will remove Klasse in my experience. AIO will also strip all layers of SG. Pretty much any swirl remover or paint cleaner will strip Klasse. If you are trying to take it all off then I would do a Dawn wash and then clay the car. That should take care of most, if not all of it. A layer of AIO will take care of whatever is left. Anything can be layered on AIO without a problem, so there really shouldn't be any concern about leaving AIO on the car.
 
Well, thanks for clarifying that.



Actually, what I was saying was that he may want to post his question as a new and separate thread in the Autopia University rather than as a response to my thread, you know? That's what I meant. :xyxthumbs
 
Thanks Jngrbrdman!!



So basically Dawn, Clay, then start over with AIO...that's easy enough.....appreciate the help.....I am almost 100% sold....:xyxthumbs
 
Polaris said:
Actually, what I was saying was that he may want to post his question as a new and separate thread in the Autopia University rather than as a response to my thread, you know? That's what I meant. :xyxthumbs
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I know what you meant. ;) Changing topics or asking a new question in a thread may mean you miss an audience here. Some people may have already read this thread to see if they could offer advice, saw that the guy's question was resolved, and later when there are more replies, skip it. They may think it's just little follow-up stuff to the original question. So if you ask a whole new question, a lot of people who could help may not ever see it.



It's ok to start a new thread with your new question, especially if you've already performed a search for an answer but couldn't find one.
 
Everyone is always mentioning using dawn as an agent to "pre-clean" and "strip" the car of any existing wax. I can understand wanting to strip off any carnuba you may have on the car. After 6 months, there wont be any carnuba wax left anyways though...



So then what is the point of dawn washing the car if you're trying to remove any Klasse? Klasse is not a wax, its a polymer sealant... So that would mean a dawn wash is pointless since there is no wax to remove.



Anyone else think so ?
 
bmw530i2003 said:
Thanks Jngrbrdman!!



So basically Dawn, Clay, then start over with AIO...that's easy enough.....appreciate the help.....I am almost 100% sold....:xyxthumbs
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If you are going to re-apply Klasse then I do not think the dawn or clay is required. AIO will get rid of the old stuff. I would just prep the paint as required, clay if there are contaminates or SMR to remove new swirl marks.
 
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If you are going to re-apply Klasse then I do not think the dawn or clay is required. AIO will get rid of the old stuff. I would just prep the paint as required, clay if there are contaminates or SMR to remove new swirl marks.



I see your point....just wash, clay if necessary, then start over with the AIO....makes sense.....thanks.



Nobody mentioned yet whether one could alternate use of a carnauba QD (e.g. EF CP) and non-carnauba QD (e.g., Sonus, BF)
 
bmw530i2003 said:
Nobody mentioned yet whether one could alternate use of a carnauba QD (e.g. EF CP) and non-carnauba QD (e.g., Sonus, BF)
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You want to use a QD that's compatible with whatever the top layer is. If you have Klasse SG or AIO as the last thing you put on, then use something like Sonus or BF (which works great over SG IMO). If you have a carnauba like S100 or #26 or whatever, then use a carnauba-based QD like Crystal Mist or whatever. But some QD's don't augment protection, and these can be used over anything. These would be products like #34 FI or something.
 
Originally posted by bmw530i2003

Nobody mentioned yet whether one could alternate use of a carnauba QD (e.g. EF CP) and non-carnauba QD (e.g., Sonus, BF)

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I use CP between layers of SG. Shame on me! I just wash before layering the SG. BTW when I layer the SG it maybe a month between layers. I understand your point but there is not alot of carnauba in a QD.



It works for me.
 
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