ONR & Duragloss Aquawax

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mcc

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Okay people, I've tried both now. For starters, I've found ONR to be so much better than the QEW that I used in the past that I'll never buy QEW again. I've also heard good things about Aquawax, so I decided to give it a try too.



Now to my question. Aquawax is supposed to give some really good protection for a wax as you dry type product from what I've read. On the other hand, I've never read anything stating that ONR gives any kind of lasting protection, as it is branded more as a rinseless wash than a wax product. However, I've tried ONR and AW, and both seem to bead equally well. I see no difference in that aspect whatsoever, with ONR drying better than the AW when used side by side.



So then, can anyone tell me what protective properties the ONR has? I've heard of AW lasting on a car while still appearing to provide protection for 6 weeks or so. How about ONR? AW is supposedly a true wax, rivaling some paste waxes, from what I've read. How about ONR, as it seems to have some real protective ability?
 
onr is a nice rinseless wash. given its a wash i wouldn't consider it a great paint protector like a sealant. it can help the durability of a wax by gently removing the dirt and not take off the wax as well.



aquawax is a nice temporary spray sealant. works pretty well to amp up the shine and provides some beading properties but i've read where some apply after each wash or every other wash. some also say using too much will mute flakes but i've never experienced that. does work well on rims (make sure they're cool temp wise) and on windows (leaves very slick and rain literally blows off).



then again, i like applying gloss sealants like upgp or even a nice glaze like dwg whenever the mood strikes--and not when necessarily needed. meaning i've never waited until a lsp sealant or wax loses it before applying again...i just enjoy applying different products.
 
ONR has something in it, that's for sure. There's no other "soap" I've used that has my car looking as good as it does (without being topped) after a wash. It has a very sealant-ish shine to it after being dried. That said, I almost always top it with AW (between details of course) so I couldn't tell you how durable ONR in itself is.



Like the above, I never wait for my protection to be completely gone before putting more on. I'm very confident that I could use a true sealant once a year and easily keep its protection up with a spray of AW once a month....easily.



AW is so easy o use, why not use it monthly? I spray it on and whipe it right off, I've never found a need to let it set or go back and do a second whipe off, and like the above said, it kicks butt on windows. So much that I've driven down I-5 while it was pouring without whipers just to be in awe of the water flying off my windshield...though it travels to the back of my car and all the dirt in the water collects on my rear bumper :)



before ONR wash

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after (nothing put on it)

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ONR is a great wash and a good quick detailer, I use both regularly. I just got DG Aquawax and it muted my metal flake on my 04 Mystichrome Cobra. I didn't like the look so I hit it with 425 and the flake came right out.
 
I guess I just didn't see much point in the Aquawax when I tried it. The ONR shined just as well and beaded water just as well, so it got me wondering if there is much difference at all, other than that ONR washes as well. Seems like ONR may provide the same protection and shine as AW plus wash the car, so I didn't know what the point of using AW would be. That stuff is $8 for a spray bottle and didn't seem to do anything more than the regular ONR wash I've been doing.
 
i think some (like me) just like trying different products. as long as it doesn't ruin the look i like experimenting. call me a frustrated chemist.



on a side note, i've tried many different types of lsp's. if your prep work is good the finished lsp applications are certainly in the eye of the beholder. i do notice a marked difference in sealant vs waxes. personally i like the glossy appearance of sealants vs the warm look of carnauba on silver metallic paint. sealants don't seem to attract dust as much either.
 
Thanks Scottwax. I enjoyed the video. Do you know how long the beading will last between applications? Of course, I'm sure you don't normally let it go that long, but maybe someone has and you found out in all your years of detailing. There is obviously something there in the ONR that provides some level of protection to the paint, and I just wonder how long it lasts.



I'm sure the Aquawax is a great product, but after doing half a hood with ONR, and the other half with ONR, I just didn't see any difference whatsoever.
 
mcc said:
I'm sure the Aquawax is a great product, but after doing half a hood with ONR, and the other half with ONR, I just didn't see any difference whatsoever.
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If you want to use something after an ONR wash why not give OCW (new formula) a try? It is quite durable for a spray wax and the added shine and slickness is incredible.
 
wannafbody said:
Scott, could this be why you get such stellar durability?
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:rolleyes:



Could washing with Z7 then using Z6 or Z8 and eleventy billion layers of Z2/Z5 be why you get such good durability from Zaino?



I get what you are driving at and it gets old since you seem to make a similar post at least a few times a month. Give it a rest. I was doing most of my durability testing on cars I don't see weekly, or the cars I was washing conventionally at the office that had the pressure washer and RO/DI system. My brother's van is another test vehicle since it sees tunnel washes 2-3 times a month, no QDs, no ONR.
 
mcc said:
Thanks Scottwax. I enjoyed the video. Do you know how long the beading will last between applications?
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Can't really say for sure. That Escalade in the video has gone 3 weeks between washes at time (weather related) and it still beads just fine when I wash it again.
 
mcc said:
Okay people, I've tried both now. For starters, I've found ONR to be so much better than the QEW that I used in the past that I'll never buy QEW again. I've also heard good things about Aquawax, so I decided to give it a try too.



Now to my question. Aquawax is supposed to give some really good protection for a wax as you dry type product from what I've read. On the other hand, I've never read anything stating that ONR gives any kind of lasting protection, as it is branded more as a rinseless wash than a wax product. However, I've tried ONR and AW, and both seem to bead equally well. I see no difference in that aspect whatsoever, with ONR drying better than the AW when used side by side.



So then, can anyone tell me what protective properties the ONR has? I've heard of AW lasting on a car while still appearing to provide protection for 6 weeks or so. How about ONR? AW is supposedly a true wax, rivaling some paste waxes, from what I've read. How about ONR, as it seems to have some real protective ability?
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As a user of Optimum ,Duragloss and Zaino this is what I found.



I use ONR every week ,but I add a capful of Z7. ONR is a great no rinse that contains protection ( wax ). A much greater version than the old wash and wax products.



As far as spray products Zaino Z8 is king for looks and durability, AW is 2nd and

new OCW is some where after that. Now this being said I use OCW as as topper from time to time as it looks great for a short period of time.



Now for superior durability there is ZCS ( King ). I also like OS which is very nice but in my testing doesn't last as long as ZCS. These wowo products are actually just as easy to use as Z8 ,AW & OCW. ( will be testing Ultima soon)



I believe to get superior durability products need to be used in a synergistic manner.

The only time I don't follow my advice is I add a capful of Z7 to ONR.



I believe this is why Zpc or ZAIO then Z5 the Z2 then ZCS then Z8 is so effective and the King.



I also feel that's why 601 then 105 then AW is so effective and a solid number 2 in durability.



The we have ONR then PS then OCW the OS. ONR,PS & OCW contain carnuba which makes them a solid option for durability. If you use ONR every week your are adding protecton which is great. OCW is nice wipe on carnuba that looks great.
 
I think there are some inacurate statements being made. ONR contains lubricants and surfactants that by there very nature will leave a shine. However, I don't think this will yield any long lasting protection compared to polymer sealants or waxes.



DG AW is typically used as a topper, but don't sell spray on, wipe off product short as to some lasting durability. When applied properly, these spray ons can yield very good durability - we shouldn't associate a product suspended in a heavy carrier as necessarily providing extra durability (or shine) simply because it requires more work!

DG AW, OCW, KSG, JW AJT (along with many others) are all great products.
 
Scottwax said:
:rolleyes:



Could washing with Z7 then using Z6 or Z8 and eleventy billion layers of Z2/Z5 be why you get such good durability from Zaino?



I get what you are driving at and it gets old since you seem to make a similar post at least a few times a month. Give it a rest. I was doing most of my durability testing on cars I don't see weekly, or the cars I was washing conventionally at the office that had the pressure washer and RO/DI system. My brother's van is another test vehicle since it sees tunnel washes 2-3 times a month, no QDs, no ONR.
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Nope, I get great durability from Zaino with a single application washed with NXT wash and no QD's. But then again I'm not a pro detailer who wants repeat business or wants to make a name for myself.
 
one of the products is a No Rinse Wash, the other a spray wax or sealant. I don''t see the point of comparing them. ONR works good for what is was designed for, washing without running water, but I wouldn't depend on the protection.

AW on the other hand works pretty well as a wax if applied on a dry, clean surface. On a wet car, not so good
 
Regarding using AW after washing with ONR - I recall posts from the past suggesting that the two were incompatible in some way, for example, attracting more dust and pollen - although (surpirse!) some people disagreed and experienced no ill effects.



Is AW over/after ONR now considered problem free?
 
Mark77 said:
one of the products is a No Rinse Wash, the other a spray wax or sealant. I don''t see the point of comparing them. ONR works good for what is was designed for, washing without running water, but I wouldn't depend on the protection.

AW on the other hand works pretty well as a wax if applied on a dry, clean surface. On a wet car, not so good
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True, but some people try to make it into something else. Comparisons like this have been going on for a while. The apples to apples , is not applied by some.
 
wannafbody said:
Nope, I get great durability from Zaino with a single application washed with NXT wash and no QD's. But then again I'm not a pro detailer who wants repeat business or wants to make a name for myself.
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1. Using ONR tends to make people think their paint doesn't need waxing as often so that goes against your first point.



I get repeat business because I do good work, not because I am somehow tricking people.



2. I've already made a name for myself when I was only using Meguiars products.



Not quite sure what your agenda against me is, but whatever.
 
Scottwax said:
1. Using ONR tends to make people think their paint doesn't need waxing as often so that goes against your first point.



I get repeat business because I do good work, not because I am somehow tricking people.



2. I've already made a name for myself when I was only using Meguiars products.



Not quite sure what your agenda against me is, but whatever.
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Probably just the exuberance of youth...or beer muscle or something!
 
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