Interesting post from another forum

Scott P

Scott P

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I found this thread on the Grand Prix forums. The topic involved topping Zaino with a wax. Here is one person's reply:



I dont use wax, I dont believe in it. Ive been building street rods since I got out of school, and I would never use wax on a $50,000 paint job. At our shop, (and at most that I know of) will use a product called Finesse It. You can apply this product by hand like wax, let it glaze and wipe it off, but it is best applied by a high speed buffer. After that, I apply a product called Excite. This is applied by hand, then removed with a high speed buffer. The resulting shine is astonishing, and you dont get any of the buildup from wax. Paint on a car is just like your skin, it has to breathe. If you seal it off with wax that stays on for long periods of time, problems may occurr down the road. (Bubbling, and rust spots) The Excite stays on for about 5 washes, and comes off clean. Just my 2 cents, but I know not a drop of wax will ever touch my car.



It has been discussed here that high end concours winners use a glaze for the shine, but I have never heard of 'Excite'. Also, I found the paint breathing comment a little Zymol-esque.
 
Here is a tip that I saw on another forum about car care....



From www.c32life.com

Car Care



First, I highly recommend you check out the Autopia web site. There's a wealth of information there! It's WELL worth your time to do some reading there.
Click to expand...



I guess Autopia is truly the utopia of car care!:bow
 
I think Scott P. and I recommend Autopia at least 2 or 3 times a week on the Grandprix Forum......:xyxthumbs His answers usually show he reads this forum, aka he knows what he's talking about. :D
 
LOL, yeah rust spots occur when metal gets sealed... The best way to prevent something from rusting is to just leave it exposed to the elements. That works every time.



Paint on a car is just like your skin... Why does that analogy always get repeated? I mean, just ponder it for like two seconds... How on earth is paint in any way similar to your skin? I mean, do a lot of people just hear stuff and then start parrotting it without using even the tiniest bit of brain power to process it? I mean, those two things are so unbelievably dissimilar it is crazy... One is a hard chemically shell that gets sprayed onto metal. The other is, uh, your skin... Hell, why is painting so toxic? It's just like spraying skin around, right? Who needs a face mask for that? What's next? Using Skin-So-Soft as a quick detailer to restore that softness and suppleness to paint? :wall
 
Removing products with a high speed buffer? Yikes!!!!



Oh and since the paint is alive, you know since it has to breath and all, it would also like a Big Mac Value Meal from Micky D's when you get a chance. ;)
 
$50,000 just for a paint job???!!! Is he kidding?!



For that price the paint better do more than just "breathe!!" :p
 
I just realized that the guy is in my local GP chapter. Tonight is ourmonthly bracket racing series and I think he's coming out. Of course, with rain the past few days, my car is dirty. Maybe I should run out with some spray and wipe to make it look a little nicer for him.



I'm still curious what Excite is. I did a quick google searcha nd of course it turned up nothing related to an automotive product.
 
OMG! :wall :wall



My highlights:



-removing products with a high speed buffer

-paint breathing

-rust spots and bubbling from sealing paint



Riiiiiiiiiiight..... :rolleyes:



He's right about one thing though, the value of his opinion. :D
 
Why doesn't someone on that forum ask him where he got his "paint breathing" information.



I was thinking of emailing Zymol and asking them for proof of their "paint breathing" theory. It keeps coming up and the marketing people have a field day dupping (sp?) customers into thinking they're product is the only one that allows this to happen:confused:



Has anyone every taken a cross section of painted sheetmetal and analyzed it under a scanning electron microscope. Do any of you college engineers have access to one? It might be worth doing a before and after with carnauba's, sealants and polymer based waxes to find out what actually happens. That would actually be a cool topic for a project. Any takers?
 
However, I do remember several years back about a paint job that Junior's House of Color performed on a very rare Ferrari (something like one of 3 remaining worldwide). They had 1700 hours total in the paint job, and the final price tag was around $75,000. Of course, the car was valued at about $1.2 million at the time.....



It is funny how misinformation propogates itself on the Internet. Good thing that there are forums like this one to sort the fact from the fiction!!



-DavidM
 
My understanding of show car paint jobs is that the price mentioned is not unusual.



Plenty of hand labor, a big portion is wet sanding between coats of paint, color and clear. You have to re-prep the car between each coat.



My truck breathes fine since I made it stop smoking!



Lou
 
Does the shop charge extra for vaseline with the $50,000 paint special? :D



I can see a restoration or some serious custom work bringing the tab that high, but custom paint alone? Not likely.
 
I use Proactive on my car. After using the "cleanser" that slightly exfoliates and opens the pores, I use the "toner" which pulls the paint tight and gets rid of orange peal, then I move on to the "restoring lotion" to give it that unwaxed-oxydized look of a 1980s accord that's been through the gulf war.



When my paint wakes up and answers the phone, it goes "grrrrrrrrrr."



It's name is Esmeralda.
 
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