final questions about klasse aio and sg

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The Uncle said:
Well, Autopia sells lots of products, including Klasse but also many others. There would be little reason for Autopia to promote Klasse ahead of those other products. Besides, DavidB has not made one single attempt to regulate discussion here to enhance the image of products he sells. In fact, he has made every reasonable attempt to facilitate critical and honest discussion about products.



I never said they promote klasse over other product lines they sell. I said forum sites with relationships tend to support what they sell over what they don't. This is a great site and the vendors have great products I shop with most of them myself.



The fact that Klasse doesn't manufacture a detail spray has zero to do with its value as a product. That, to be blunt, is a silly criticism. And, btw, there are many fine detail sprays out there that work great with Klasse and enhanced durability (like Sonus).

Dude you have to be brain dead to think that klasse wouldn't benefit from making a DP to aid with the removal of their product. How do you know that other DP are compatible to use before klasse is cured? When a company makes a DP they purposely put compatible products with their sealants.

Zanio doesn't make a product to effectively clean the car before application. Does that make Zanio a bad product?

Yes good point dude, Zaino would benefit from a good cleaner like AIO! You want a browny button?

There isn't any "color" issue with Klasse. I don't even know what you are talking about here.
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Burlyq said:
But it's inferior because the product itself contains paint contanimants (petroleum distilates), its old technology and it yellows.
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Got anything to back this up, or just winging it? Reason I ask is I've been trying to get an MSDS for Klasse and flat can't get one.
 
As far as Zaino goes, Since my father bought his TL is Feb, I have had nothing on it except for Z2. I have tried Z2 and Z5 on my car with great results. I now have NXT on my car since I can apply very easily without large cure times cuz of winter temps. Anyway I do also use AIO quite often. Now as far as SG, the only reason I have not tried it yet is that I hear "some" of the problems with removal here and there and the waiting 24 hours between coats. This isnt too feasible for me since my car is a daily driver. What I do like about Zaino is the fact that with ZFX i can fo 3 coats in a day. Whether those 3 zaino coats in a day equate to the results of 3 coats of SG in 3 days...I dont know. As far as Zaino is concerned.. i love the products and will always have them in my arsenal. Just because someone uses Zaino doesnt mean they are a Zealot. I use Zaino with MANY products. (NXT, S100, many differnet polishes, etc etc.)



I really tired and probably just rambled useless non-sense but i think the point im trying to make before I fall asleep from the loooong day is....everyone calm down! Its a d@mn opinionated Detail Forum....Everyone is entitled to their opinion about whatever products for whatever reason! Now lets all have a group hug like I suggested earlier!



P.S....Lets try not concentrate on making fun of grammar...there are some people on this forum where English is a second language for them, OR they may just be like myself---Dead tired when they get home to post on this forum. Im in college right now and I get tired of proof reading my D@mn essays...coming home to proof read my posts for everyone's "pleasing" is not something i tend to care about.



Im not in anyway taking any sides of any person, product, and/or idea. I share my personal opinon, and that's what it is "an OPINON." NOW...Everyone can just relax, because my above useless rant is over now! :)
 
Burlyq said:
Dude you have to be brain dead to think that klasse wouldn't benefit from making a DP to aid with the removal of their product. How do you know that other DP are compatible to use before klasse is cured? When a company makes a DP they purposely put compatible products with their sealants
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Moot point. In fact, there are several widely available detail sprays that work well with AIO and SG. Sonus and SG are a killer combo.
 
This thread should be sent off into space. Nothing good is coming out of it.



Here's a question: If petroleum distillates are horrible, what does Zaino use as a solvent? What about other products that are "good" :nixweiss
 
Hitler was big on censorship too.



There's a difference in using a product as a binder/solvent and using it to aid in shine. I wouldn't not by klasse because it has PD's, it's not even the main reason I have other preferences. Cure time is a bigger deal to me than that. Like I said I use the stuff, but I use a lot off stuff I think can be made better.
 
Right, so somebody raises questions about the value of this thread and you feel that makes it OK to equate them with a genocidal dictator who killed 10 million people?



I'll leave it for the moderators to deal with you. I'm out of here.....
 
The Uncle said:
Right, so somebody raises questions about the value of this thread and you feel that makes it OK to equate them with a genocidal dictator who killed 10 million people?



I'll leave it for the moderators to deal with you. I'm out of here.....
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I guess he hollered... Uncle. :rofl jk! nhf
 
Burlyq said:
Menzerna doesn't contain them and I'm not sure your right about Zaino. Law states you have to label your product if it contains PD's and Zaino aint labeled. Check any product like poorboys, klasse, armorall tire, etc, they all say they contain PD's. Zaino surely doesn't attract dust like petroleum products either. And PD's dont evaporate or become denatured so I'm not sure what you meant about the suspesion thing. It's a minor issue to me just one particular reason I think Menzerna and Zaino type products are better than Klasse. Lets call it personal choice.
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Of course PD's evaporate. Look at the second word in PD and think about what that means. This is exactly how the overwealming majority of sealants work. The liquid carrier is a PD which evaporates during the curing process which is why the stuff turns from a liquid to a solid. In the case of Zaino, the solvent used is mineral spirits which is a PD. All polymer sealants that I know of work this way. Most, if not all, polymer sealants use silicone compounds. Most silicone compounds (and natural waxes) don't dissolve in water, they usually are dissolved in PD solvents. The PD does a number of very good things. It lubricates the surface to prevent scratching, allows the product to be applied and removed easier, and allow UV protectants to be dissolved and combined.



As for Klasse, it is an acrylic which is water based. So although it may contain PDs, these are NOT used as a carrier for the acrylic itself. The PDs in Klasse are most likely used as cleaners and binders and will evaporate during the curing process.



Anyone who makes a blanket statement that products that use PDs are bad, obviously doesn't understand PDs very well. There are many different types of PDs that do many different things. Just because products are labeled as containing PDs, doesn't mean they are all the same. Anything from mineral spirits to parafin must be labeled as containing PDs, but may be drastically different. You may be thinking about cheaper automotive waxes that rely on cheaper paraffinic compounds (which are PDs) that may yellow and collect dust.



You are correct in that federal law does mandate products that contain PDs must be labeled as such. However there are many products which don't comply with this law.
 
Burlyq said:
Hitler was big on censorship too.



There's a difference in using a product as a binder/solvent and using it to aid in shine. I wouldn't not by klasse because it has PD's, it's not even the main reason I have other preferences. Cure time is a bigger deal to me than that. Like I said I use the stuff, but I use a lot off stuff I think can be made better.
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My position isn't to censor your dislike of any product. Quite the contrary. However, if you want to explain why you don't like it I suggest you write your own review of the product where you put forth your mature and supported conclusion. I can't imagine I'm not the only member here that doesn't want to open up a thread of 4 pages of bickering.



Everybody has opinions but that doesn't mean that everybody should throw them around without backing them up. And I'll add: nobody should throw their opinion around without doing so in a mature fashion. Your original post was not very tactful and that is the reason you are getting flamed for it. Not because you like Zaino.



And I'd appreciate it if you don't compare me to Hitler. It's not very nice.:)
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
My position isn't to censor your dislike of any product. Quite the contrary. However, if you want to explain why you don't like it I suggest you write your own review of the product where you put forth your mature and supported conclusion. I can't imagine I'm not the only member here that doesn't want to open up a thread of 4 pages of bickering.



Everybody has opinions but that doesn't mean that everybody should throw them around without backing them up. And I'll add: nobody should throw their opinion around without doing so in a mature fashion. Your original post was not very tactful and that is the reason you are getting flamed for it. Not because you like Zaino.



And I'd appreciate it if you don't compare me to Hitler. It's not very nice.:)
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Gotta admit that was a very mature response to this thread. :xyxthumbs
 
Burlyq said:
It's on the bottle. As for yellows you can find these links with many complaints in the acuramagazine site and some on roadfly. Again, small issue but it does exist.

http://cl.acurazine.com/forums/archive/index.php/f-112.html

I'm sure you can find roadfly
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These are a few quotes from the site:



"My detailer ... He said he could, but he suggested a polymer/carnuba combo. ...I asked about the Klasse and he said it was good stuff, but would yellow over time."





"Klasse is pretty good, but does not stand up in the long run. It is about the same as Zaino, and they both last about the same time. PINNACLE is a much better product and last much longer. "



"[klasse] is an old product (10-20years), acrylic polymer, that were known to yellow over time with UV light exposure. No one has seen this on one board that I view..."



The first thing that sticks out to me is that you're putting trust in the opinions of people that say things like pinnacle waxes last much longer than klasse/zaino.



So far i've counted two yellowing statements, which hardly qualifies as "many complaints." Neither of the two are from first hand observation.



And one of the people that says klasse yellows recommends polymer/carnauba. He apparently doesn't seem to be bothered by the petroleum distillates in the wax.. and neither do you, appparently, when you top zaino with natty's or s100.. but then you proceed to point out that PD's deteriorate the finish over time. So then do you think that zaino is impervious to the PD's in your topper waxes? Are you causing damage to your paint when you go straight to wax without zaino? Do you really think 10 coats of of zaino or anything will provide an impenetrable shield against the PD's in your topper wax?



burlyq: "[klasse users] use PD's to help achieve that deep shine"



And so do you when you top.
 
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