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DG 105: Pleasantly suprised
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a.k.a. Patrick
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I would not use a LSP if it was labeled as a polish, or had cleaning abilities. How is that classified as a LSP? Answer me this, is 105 layerable?
mg031
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a.k.a. Patrick said:
105 can absolutely be layered. The cleaners in it are mild and mainly to maximize bonding over itself. It is currently considered the strongest sealant within the DG lineup.
Did a search -
This has been covered already.
http://autopia.org/forum/735647-post10.html
http://autopia.org/forum/741224-post13.html
a.k.a. Patrick
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I still think its a good all in one type of product, and thats the way I will use it. I use 111 as a sealant. 105 reminds me of 111 and pink buffing gel, mixed together.
a.k.a. Patrick said:
Absolutely it's layerable, applied by hand. You guys are acting like 105 is similar to Klasse AIO or even the DG 101. It is *nothing* close to either product in terms of cleaning power. Zaino is labeled as a polish, and it is for sure an LSP. In fact, your 111 is labeled as a polish (Clear Coat Polish), does this mean you will stop using it as a LSP? I should hope not. DG and Zaino (among others) like to throw around the word polish as meaning a sealant to them. Again, 105 is a final LSP, not a corrective product in the slightest bit. 105 would NOT have the great durability that it does, if it was full of cleaners, like AIO or DG 101. IMO, some of you are taking the word "cleaner" and blowing it way out of proportion here.
I've used a lot of cleaner waxes and cleaner sealants in my time, and 105 is not one of them I'd classifiy in the cleaner category. Seems this product is misunderstood....
a.k.a. Patrick
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Mike, no arguement here, its a real good "product".
Formulated to clean, shine and protect from harsh conditions and environmental pollutants.
Thats what bothers me though, in regards to an LSP. Its that "formulated to clean" statement.
If you were to describe the functon of a all in one type product, would you not descibe it as being able to "clean, shine and protect?"
The website does not mention anything about #111, "cleaning."
They certainly use the term "polish" rather loosely.
Lets not get into a pissing contest about this, just uncover the truth as we interpret it.
Formulated to clean, shine and protect from harsh conditions and environmental pollutants.
Thats what bothers me though, in regards to an LSP. Its that "formulated to clean" statement.
If you were to describe the functon of a all in one type product, would you not descibe it as being able to "clean, shine and protect?"
The website does not mention anything about #111, "cleaning."
They certainly use the term "polish" rather loosely.
Lets not get into a pissing contest about this, just uncover the truth as we interpret it.
Why is it only layerable if applied by hand? I've never used KAIO or 101 so the only thing I have to base my opinion of this product is the results I was able to get this weekend using it. While it may not be close to those products in cleaning power, it's certainly no slouch when you look at the job it did on the car I detailed this weekend. But again, I got the impression that I had pushed it to, if not a little beyond, it's limits and while it did a great job, I don't think I'll be using it in that fashion again.TigerMike said:
SpoiledMan
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rkf76 said:
You still don't understand that the ORANGE PAD was the reason you got the results you did? What you saw was the function of the pad and not the product.
Right....but OP is a polish that is designed only for polishing. While #105 says that it's "formulated to clean, shine and protect" I think it's main function is as an LSP. The fact that you got the results you did is great! My only concern is that you had to work a lot harder than maybe you should have if you had used something like OP. Imagine how much better it could have turned out had you used an actual polish!:bigups
Either way it looks great! I hope you don't take any of the constructive criticism the wrong way. Everyone here is just trying to help you do the best job you can. I am actually in Sacramento as well so if you want to hook up just PM me and we can get together.
a.k.a. Patrick
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MDRX8 said:
Did you define "LSP" to them?
In my own personal definition, LSP does not contain any dedicated cleaners. The label is misrepresenting the product then.
This is why I moved away from Megs products. The labels/products were too confusing.
Maybe a better question would have been "What are 105's cleaning capabilities"?
I think we are all in agreement, and LSP should not "clean, shine and protect"? Otherwise it would be known as a all in one type of product.
Heres an interesting description of Klasse AIO, from the Autopia store.........
"Klasse All-In-One Car Wax is an easy-to-use paint cleaner, polish and synthetic car wax (sealant) in one.
"
Striking resemblance in terminology.
***News flash...
Product update per DG chemist: 12pm PST
I explained I was having some difficulties in understanding exactly what 105 is best used for, as the labels on some DG products may be misleading or confusing. These were his answers.
In order of cleaning aggressiveness, from least capability, to most.
#111
#101
#105
In order of most protection, from least protective quality to most protection.
#105
#101
#111
105 is the "latest and greatest in terms of Duragloss Technology (and I quote) it is our best all in one type of product".
In regards to protection I asked, does it offer the least ability to protect. He explained although differences may not be discernable in the field, the reflective glass test in the lab illustrates it has the least amount of protection, and this may be in relation to its abundance of cleaning properties, over the other 2.
Hopefully this clears the air.
Carry on DG fans, the fog has lifted......
TwinTowers
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a.k.a. Patrick said:
It has the most protection of the three, or the least amount of protection??:think:
TwinTowers
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a.k.a. Patrick said:
Never mind. I just read my post...in order of most protection, from least protective to most is what through me for a few minutes..
a.k.a. Patrick said:
Those answers don't make a bit of sense to me. So, what he is saying for protection, is that 105 offers the least durability, when it is now touted as their most protective product they've yet produced. Even says on the bottle it is supposed to last 1 year! None of the other products say that, AFAIK, and I know that 101 isn't going longer than a year! The order should be 105, 111, 101 for protection/durability from greatest to least in my experience. Even before 105 came out, 111 was always way more durable than 101, as it's a pure sealant. So, now they are going to release a new sealant (105) that is their least durable??
As far as cleaners go, again makes no sense to me. I have personally found 101 a *ton* more aggressive than the 105. 101 is also the least durable (probably because it is loaded with cleaners, much more so than 105). I have removed some pretty harsh surface grime with 101, that 105 wouldn't even begin to touch. I know this as fact.
Therefore, those answers just don't add up for me, in what I've seen personally. From my experience, 101 would last roughly 2.5-3 months *at best* on my cars, whereas I've got 105 going 5-6 months easy. If 105 lasted less than 2.5 months, AquaWax would be as durable! I know that's not the truth!
From extensive use with all of their sealants, I have seen the following personally:
1) 101 lasts 2.5 to 3 months at best and it's dead
2) 111 lasts about 4-4.5 months
3) 105 lasts 5-6 months before it dies
4) AW lasts 2.5-3 months for me
GlossyTundra
Tractor Detailer
Yall are missing the point here. #105 is an LSP, with minor minor cleaners. Z-5PRO is labled as a polish, but also has MINOR cleaners, but it is regarded as an LSP. #105 is definatly not a final finishing polish or a capable AIO. Put AIO on half an oxidised hood and then do the other half with #105, see what comes out better. The friggin AIO!
a.k.a. Patrick
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Tiger, use according to your findings. All I'am sharing (as has been my experience) is what the chemist told me this afternoon. Take it with a grain of salt if you desire.
Again, DG said 105 is there all in one type product, it has the most cleaners. It is there most advanced product, not most advanced sealant. Meaning it serves more then one purpose. Where do you find it being touted as there most durable product?
As far as not understanding :
In order of cleaning aggressiveness, from least capability, to most.
#111 (Least capable of paint cleaning)
#101
#105 (Most capable of paint cleaning)
In order of most protection, from least protective quality to most protection.
#105 (Least protection)
#101
#111 (Most protection)
Hopefully this is more understandable?
Maybe some of you dont interpret LSP (Last step/stage protectant) as I do.....If your LSP has cleaners, (LSCP) so be it. I would prefer mine, not have any......
Again, DG said 105 is there all in one type product, it has the most cleaners. It is there most advanced product, not most advanced sealant. Meaning it serves more then one purpose. Where do you find it being touted as there most durable product?
As far as not understanding :
In order of cleaning aggressiveness, from least capability, to most.
#111 (Least capable of paint cleaning)
#101
#105 (Most capable of paint cleaning)
In order of most protection, from least protective quality to most protection.
#105 (Least protection)
#101
#111 (Most protection)
Hopefully this is more understandable?
Maybe some of you dont interpret LSP (Last step/stage protectant) as I do.....If your LSP has cleaners, (LSCP) so be it. I would prefer mine, not have any......
GlossyTundra
Tractor Detailer
Ehh, I have never experienced that at all. Here is my chart
IN ORDER OF CLEANING AGGRESSIVNESS, FROM LEAST TO MOST.
105
111
101
IN ORDER OF MOST PROTECTION FROM LEAST TO MOST
101
111
105
I feel as if that will be how most other users will rate the Duragloss products as they use them.
IN ORDER OF CLEANING AGGRESSIVNESS, FROM LEAST TO MOST.
105
111
101
IN ORDER OF MOST PROTECTION FROM LEAST TO MOST
101
111
105
I feel as if that will be how most other users will rate the Duragloss products as they use them.