Detailing ightmare please restore my confidence in DIY detailng

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JackP311

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Well - I bought a random orbit buffer today and had some Zymol cleaner wax (the turtle wax stuff) that I had used on the 337 yesterday.

Decided to do the ladys galactic blue beetle.



It was bad. Wax slung everywhere, it wouldnt come off, it was horrible.



End result, wash the car with wax still on it, just to get it off.



Consequence - car has no wax on it - want to get a layer of protection down.



THREE QUESTIONS:



1) Can I just throw on a coat of the einszett samples I have (hart glanz) and let it be? (Is 2 oz enough to do the car?)



2) I will never use a machine detail again. Will the eiszett products (polish, wax) do me ok via hand application on a foam pad?



3) Should I be turning elsewhere then einszett? (I was told they are very easy to use)



Thank you for your detailed and supported help. Please refrain from amateur jabs and shouldnt have tried it crap about the buffer. I read for 5 days and you can't learn if you don't try.



JP
 
JackP311 said:
It was bad. Wax slung everywhere, it wouldnt come off, it was horrible.



JP
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That bad sling with an orbital ??? Never happened to me ??? :think:



Well don't abandon your hobby... Next time put a couple of blotches here and there on your pad and lightly pat the pad onto the surface to be treated before you turn the machine on... That' ll solve your problem even with a rotary... I have a B&D orbital and I start off with the lowest speed setting and gradually increase speed. That' ll both avoid sling and protect the motor and carbon brushes of the instrument... :think2



And never give up; go start all over, don' t let a couple of drops of wax and petrolium spirits scare you away from this wonderful hobby. But next time make sure you cover plastic trim with masking tape. Don't worry about glass; just buff it, it will help more than harm...



Good luck and don' t give in but keep it up !!! :bigups
 
Uhhh... What kind of orbital? How MUCH wax did you put on the pad at first? Small car, why not just apply by hand in the first place? I use paste wax so I have no idea how far 2 liquid ounces will go. Good luck, but there is no reason to abandon machine detailing because you were inexperienced. There is a learning curve there you know.
 
Basically you are just apply a wax with a cleaner with a PC and what it sounds like you may be applying a little to much of it. If that is the case remove the access wax from the trim, corners or what ever with dish soap and a paint brush and warm water or a paint solvent cleaner. Ok if you have a nice finish apply wax by hand, if you don’t have a nice finish you have to polish it oh and hey best to clay it too before you polish it.

Good luck and hey don’t drink that many beers next time
 
It was a PC 7336, the 7424 with a 6 inch pad.



I used a wool bonnet per zymols instructions.



I might go back to the polisher, idk.



I just dont think I need it for 2 cars (one silver).



Can I get done what I need to get done by hand? Or is it just a waste of time?



Any other advice on brands, einszett?



Thanks



JP
 
If i remember correctly, zymol cleaner wax is very thin consistency and is meant to be applied by hand. Secondly, the **** dries rock hard in seconds. You really have to limit yourself to small sections.
 
Apply wax on wool pad its no no. You can use MF/foam applicator to apply wax. You can get these at your local autozone,Advance store,etc.
 
Well - it was starting to warm up outside, so I hit it with a coat of hart glanz from the 2 samples I got.

My impressions:



1) Wicked easy to put on.



2) Taking off the haze is easy but it seems as though there were a lot of streaks left over (finish too hot?)



3) Doesn't feel waxed. It just feels like the paint is clean. Im saying your finger kind of sqeeks if you press and drag it, like there were no wax on it. What's up there?



JP
 
I have had some sling from my PC before. It will happen if you apply the product on the car and try to pick it up with the buffer running. Spread the product a little with the buffer off.



Don't be afraid to use the buffer again
 
I've found that if you use a PC to apply some "everyday consumer oriented" cleaner waxes made for hand/ cheapie orbital application you need to apply it at a slow speed (<2) otherwise it can "glaze" or even "bake" on almost instantly. Some brands are more forgiving than others, but 1 in particular I remember... MAN! It was like the residue fused to the paint!



Anyway, you could try to re-apply the Zymol with a foam pad via PC at low speeds, or by hand.

As to the 1Z, can't help you there.
 
JackP311 said:
Please refrain from amateur jabs and shouldnt have tried it crap about the buffer. I read for 5 days and you can't learn if you don't try...
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Heh heh, don't get ticked off...I can't resist: You went about it wrong so it turned out wrong. Gotta watch what's going on so you catch problems right at the outset before they turn into *big* problems. That's not a :nono I've botched up a lot of stuff in my life and this detailing thing isn't as simple as it might first appear.



Now I'll quit being a [pedantic jerk] and get to the Q's...



THREE QUESTIONS:



1) Can I just throw on a coat of the einszett samples I have (hart glanz) and let it be? (Is 2 oz enough to do the car?)



2) I will never use a machine detail again. Will the eiszett products (polish, wax) do me ok via hand application on a foam pad?



3) Should I be turning elsewhere then einszett? (I was told they are very easy to use)
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1) Try the 1Z on a small area and see if it works out OK. 2 oz. is plenty *IF* you put it on nice and thin, but most people don't put it on that thin, at least not until they have a lot of experience. Experiment on one panel, don't do the whole car until you see how it's working.



2) Don't write off machines entirely (oops, there I go again...sorry). Yeah, the 1Z polishes work fine by hand, they just take a little time. I've never tried their waxes (which is why I answered #1 the way I did).



1Z polishes will work for you. I'm quite certain of this. If you have marring (swirls/scratches), go with Paint Polish. If you have *bad* scratches use the Ultra/Extra Polish. If there aren't any problems of that type just use MetallicPolishWax. The latter is one *VERY* user-friendly product and none of them are hard to use. They do need topped with a wax though, they're just not durable without that topper.



3) IMO there only thing to consider is using a different wax over the 1Z polishes, and that's only because I do it that way. 1Z is a great product line and you can stick with their stuff.
 
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