Picking a glaze for a garage queen

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chevyguy28

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Hey all,



I am in need of a recommendation for a glaze suitable for a semi-garage queen. My thinking is that it will only be driven once a month. Would this justify the omission of a wax/protectant? In addition to your thoughts on this subject, I'd like some advice on glazing or shine products. My ultimate goal is to keep the paint in near perfect condition with little degradation of surface quality over time (meaning, I wouldn't have to polish it very often).
 
Glazing alone is not the right thing to do, IMHO. The glaze will evaporate way too quickly, along with the shine, without wax over it; the wax itself evaporates, just more slowly. I have a garage queen and it's currently wearing Souveran. I did use a glaze before hand, though. I like 3M's machine glaze for dark colored cars. I think some of the serious concours guys will apply a pure non abrasive glaze as the top coat, but it's right before they're judged, and it's gone real quick. Besides, you'll want some protection when the car is out on the road, and, just sitting in the garage, really.
 
I disagree with RobD. All of my toys stay under covers in the garage and wax never touches them - just glaze.



I apply it just before the car is driven, and wash before covering and putting away again.



Wax is for protection, not shine. Glaze provides a better look than a wax.



I've found that applying to a quarterpanel at a time with a closed cell foam applicator, and removing while still damp with a MF is the way to go.



There are several good glazes out there, but I'm biased and use our Sealer and Glaze, part # 08100.
 
forrest said:
I disagree with RobD. All of my toys stay under covers in the garage and wax never touches them - just glaze.



Wax is for protection, not shine. Glaze provides a better look than a wax.
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I have to agree!



Wax simply protects the paint. Quality paint, good prep work, and a glaze will make the paint look great.



I've recently tried out One Grand's Omega Glaze and it worked great. I would check it out.



I remember using 3M's IHG and remember it leaving a lot of oil on the paint. It also seemed to actually make the paint worse even after I applied the wax vs. areas I didn't glaze and just waxed.
 
Strictly a "fair" weather car you can not lose with either Vanilla Moose or P21S GEPC. I have not tried the Mothers yet but I am looking forward to testing some maybe this Fall (hint,hint Forrest :)) . The downside is that all 3 have some form of cleansing activity ( abrasives and/or solvents) so these may not meet your needs. The closest products I have found to have a "pure" glaze functionality are Meg#7 ( a little difficult to use), Super Shine's "Power Shine" and believe it or not P21S wax and Souveran. Yes, the latter two are waxes but because of their high oil contain and lack of abrasives tend to mimic a "pure" glaze. My idea of a pure glaze are these oils. Heck, a little protection will not hurt.

Also if you are for a glazed enhanced appearance I would also suggest topping whatever product you use with Clearkote's QuikShine. Really an amazing QD which is free of alcohols,silicones and waxes. :wavey
 
I don't know what color your car is but I saw a black car that had Mothers Sealer and Glaze used on it exclusively and it looked magnificent. The paint looked so "liquid" that I felt I could jump into it and swim around. I use it like Forrest recommended and it gives a great surface, but I usually top it with carnuba.



Just my $.02
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Strictly a "fair" weather car you can not lose with either Vanilla Moose or P21S GEPC. I have not tried the Mothers yet but I am looking forward to testing some maybe this Fall (hint,hint Forrest :)) . The downside is that all 3 have some form of cleansing activity ( abrasives and/or solvents) so these may not meet your needs. The closest products I have found to have a "pure" glaze functionality are Meg#7 ( a little difficult to use), Super Shine's "Power Shine" and believe it or not P21S wax and Souveran.
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I think Super Shine's "Power Shine" is a wax.



We'll have to look into what size abrasives are in a glaze. I think all glazes pretty much have some sort of abrasive in it. Applying a glaze by hand though will not remove too much paint if any at all because the abrasives are probably extremely fine and lightly rubbing it on by hand will not really move them across the paint enough.



Maybe we should all start to email companies with glazes to see if we can extract what size abrasives they use in their glazes. It would be a good thing to know mainly when people want to least abraisve glaze.
 
KSCobra46 said:
I don't know what color your car is but I saw a black car that had Mothers Sealer and Glaze used on it exclusively and it looked magnificent. The paint looked so "liquid" that I felt I could jump into it and swim around. I use it like Forrest recommended and it gives a great surface, but I usually top it with carnuba.



Just my $.02
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I'd suggest running a search for Mothers Sealer & Glaze. Seems like one of the better products. :cool:
 
I have not seen any votes for Klasse SG yet, so I guess I'll be the first. I really like this particular product, and think it does an excellent job at producing reflectivity/shine.



The Vette is a garage queen (no more than 1,500 miles per year) and it currently wears about 5 coats of Klasse Sealant Glaze, topped with countless coats of Souveran paste (it's therapeutic, you know :o ). I prefer EF Clear Pearl and PakShak microfiber to quick detail when needed.



This has been a combination that I had great success with. Whether or not you want to use a sealant only or a sealant in conjunction with a wax is up to you. Just because a car sees minimal use, does not exclude it from the use of a wax. A wax over a sealant typically provides a different look than a sealant alone, so you need to think about the "look" that you are after.



You ask about maintaining the surface, and I'd like to suggest the use of a quality car cover while in storage. Not only does it protect against the obvious bumps/bruises that the car may see in a garage, but it also limits the amount of contact that you will have with the paint as far as quick detailing the car every day in order to remove dust. The less contact with the paint, the less chance of introducing hairline scratches.



The Vette has been inside under a Noah car cover since Nov. of last year due to the poor weather here in the East. They say Spring is coming, I'm just not sure when. :(
 
4DSC said:
I'd suggest running a search for Mothers Sealer & Glaze. Seems like one of the better products. :cool:
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I concur. I had not heard a great deal opf buzz about this product until I started reading Intel486's thread on glazes.



I tried it last night on a black paint job and was just blown away by the reflection and the wet-look shine. Incredible stuff. As soon as the sun comes out, pics are on the way.....
 
BlkonBlk,

I realize there are some very mild abrasive in Mother's Seal and Glaze which are necessary to activate the resins per Forrest . How abrasive is this product. Similiar to GEPC/SEPC? 3M IHG? Meg#7? Or Meg #9? Do you think it is mild enough that it will not remove all layers of sealant if applied lightly by hand?

Forrest please tune-in if you read these questions.

Thanks in advance.:wavey
 
blkz28 - I think you're confusing Sealer and Glaze with our resin based synthetic - Reflections. Reflections is the one with light cleaners in it, which are necessary to activate the resins.



Any "cleaning" done by Sealer and Glaze is more a function of the solvent carriers rather than an abrasive.



Use Sealer and Glaze to your heart's content - it won't do anything to harm or remove paint.



It's more closely related to #7 than #9, btw. Of course, I think it's lots better (but I'm biased).
 
forrest -



Could you please offer a bit of insight into the Sealer/Glaze vs. Mother's Reflections Polish? How are these 2 products different, or even similar?



I actually have both products sitting on my shelf, but have not really had time to experiment. Could you shed some light on them? Thanks.
 
Thanks Forrest for the clarification and explaination.

:xyxthumbs

Will the Seal and Glaze remove a polymer sealant "completely" with application via solvent degradation?:wavey
 
arctic - Reflections® was originally formulated as a REPLACEMENT for Sealer and Glaze, to meet the upcomng low VOC regulations from CARB. But, we found the product to be a great standalone, and an entree into the synthetic world. It's a first generation synthetic that's resin based, versus other synthetics that are polymer based. Because we put light cleaners in it, it doesn't layer like a non-abrasive product would.



I use it on my wife's mini-van and on my airport car since it's so easy to remove - 20 minutes or less for my Contour SVT.



Sealer and Glaze is a filler-type glaze. It's formulated as an intermediate step in our polish/glaze/wax Ultimate Wax System®. While the product's durability is poor (a week or so, as a glaze should be, since it doesn't provide protection), the gloss is high and standard deviation is low, giving a very uniform finish.



HTH



blkz28 - 4DSC experimented with Sealer and Glaze over something (Klasse, maybe?) and found it did remove it. I think it depends on the formulation of the polymer product you're putting it over. My best guess is give it a try. Sorry I can't give you a more detailed answer, but it honestly depends on the product you're putting it over.
 
Thanks very much everyone. I will be using the car roughly once a month, so I think that justifies a coat of wax afterall. I will try the Sealer and Glaze underneath some S100. Every couple months, should I strip and start clean, or can I continually layer glaze then wax, glaze then wax?
 
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