People who go the Carnauba route on their personal cars

Dr. Jones said:
I guess there is a much larger backing of doing this than i guessed... Tomorrow i'll be stripping my Z off and applieng some of my 'mystery' products followed by 3 layers of souveren... expect some pictures.




Pls get back to us your thoughts on Z vs. Carnauba. Maybe observe the effect on optical clarity? I just ordered a PC and should be receiving it this week, so my plan now is to destroy 35 coats of Z I have on the car, and since I will polish the car down, might as well put couple coats of Souveran on just to see how it looks..... Then probably DAWN wash it 2 weeks later and work my way up to 35 coats of Z again. ;)
 
Let me trow in my findings on topping Zaino with carnauba.

Maybe others can try and validate or debunk my results.



I found each cancel each others fine attributes. In other words :



1- The carnauba seem to diminish Zee's candy coating look.



2- The Zee from underneath seem to distort the carnauba presentation.



Tried many carnauba's including my prefered Blitz and got

the same results.



Your car polish is like your food preference, everyone has

different taste's, need, time factor, etc.



But we seem to have the field narrowed down a little :



Blitz

Zaino

Klasse

Meguiar's

Zymol

Pinnacle

P21s



Hope I didn't leave any major leaguer's out.
 
rd_volvo said:
Let me trow in my findings on topping Zaino with carnauba.

Maybe others can try and validate or debunk my results.



I found each cancel each others fine attributes. In other words :



1- The carnauba seem to diminish Zee's candy coating look.



2- The Zee from underneath seem to distort the carnauba presentation.



Tried many carnauba's including my prefered Blitz and got

the same results.



I wasn't too crazy about the way carnauba looked over Zaino either....and I agree with rd_volvo's assessments. It's definitely better to change your car over completely by stripping off the Zaino instead of trying this half-baked carnauba over Zaino routine. :bounce

You'll get a much better shine by using a glaze or a paint cleanser with oils as a base for your carnauba.
 
I'm sure all the hard core polymer users are reading these posts and I hope they are thinking, "to each his own".



I've been hesitant to comment here since I feel that these are such personal choices and a negative comment about a certain product is construed by readers as a negative comment about them. I still don't understand why so many people take car care products so seriously and personal. Hell, the differences between all these elite products we use are so minor they're difficult to quantify. It's mostly our personal perceptions anyway, and perception is tainted by personal bias. When most people make a statement (as opposed to an opinion) about a products performance or ability, that can usually be traced back to the mfr of the product since it ain't like the user/poster did any scientific analysis of product performance. What would be the point, anyway, right?



CARGUY hit on a point which I think is critical to the polymer vs. carnauba debate. One of the beauties of carnauba is its flexibility and forgiveness.

You can put it on thick or thin (for the most part), layer it or not, let it set up or wipe it off immediately, use it as a topper or by itself, use it with pretty much any polish you want without adverse effect or lack of performance.

Carnaubas allow the user to make a mistake.

Carnaubas allow the user to experiment.

Carnaubas allow the user to play and enjoy the process regardless of results.

You don't need to follow detailed instructions.

You don't need to contact the mfr to help with problems.

You don't need a support group or consult online "experts" to get the product to perform.

You don't need to use specific tools and techniques to apply and use.



I've been using Zaino recently. Received some samples from a friend, tried it, then bought the important stuff (Z2, Z5, Z6, Z7, ZFX). Spent about $70 on all that. My car can use a more reflective finish. The paint quality is very good (very little orange peel) but it's a color that can use a little added sparkle.



The one thing that struck me hard was that Zaino has to used *exactly* as directed. No variance, no experimentation, no playing around, no flexibility. As long as you make the allowances for the product, Zaino will work. But if you deviate ever so slightly, it'll punish you. I don't like that. I don't want a product to punish me for trying something new. I shouldn't have to follow the instructions to the letter to make the product work. The product should allow me to be creative, to be artistic, to be expressive. Zaino takes all that away from the user. For me, it's taking away from the fun and enjoyment of car care. Following rules and orders to the letter is not part of my personality. I tend to view them as guides not barriers. I don't like restrictions. I don't like cages. I'm a person who likes to spread his wings and fly. Or just lay on the couch and watch TV. I don't need proven theories and time-tested formulas and strict order to feel secure in life.



I need to be free. And carnauba sets me free.



Will I keep using the Zaino? Probably. I'll try to follow direction and use it as it was designed. I like the Z6 and Z7 and will keep using them regardless. And someday I'll see what I see and decide if I like the view. Maybe I'll stick with it (I've spent enough money...), maybe I'll go back to Souveran, or maybe I'll try something else.



No one product is right for everyone. Use whatever gives you the most pleasure and freedom and security. Remember, it's supposed to be fun.



/RANT :)
 
The main reason I've been silent on this issue is exactly as bret predicted. I scratch my head then say "to each their own" also. When you think about it, there are as many OR MORE choices in detailing and "wax" products than there are actual new car makes and models on the road! So, I agree that there is no single product that will please all the people all the time. I've never found that it's any more fun to apply a carnauba than a polymer, but that's IMO. There are always gonna be those that like the oily carnauba look, and so it shall be. As long as it's a free country, or the government doesn't decide to think for us and tell us what we should use on our cars, you have the right to use whatever floats your boat.



:wavey
 
BF, I agree somewhat with your rant. I am one of those that is intimidated by the need to get all the planets in alignment to make it work great. But make no mistake, all the Zaino results I have seen are great. But carnauba will allow one to do a very good job with very little knowledge. But the perfect prep work even applies to carnauba.



Case in point. A friend of mine caught the detailing bug lately. She has spent several hundred dollars on supplies in the last month, including a PC. I went over to show her how to use the PC the other day, and she commented on how the water never sticks to my car and why her car doesn't look like that. I proceeded to show her how much pressure you need when using #9 and when to stop claying, and how long #20 has to cure. When we finished, her 13 year old Accord looked just like my 5 year old 626 (plus a lot of scratches and wear and tear of course).



The other factor is the exclusivity of the high end products. Anyone can pick up Mother's and Meguiar's stuff. But Zaino, Klasse, and Blackfire (can't even get it in Canada) are all mail order for us up here. Hard for a newbie to slap down close to $100 (when converted to CDN $) for a product they have only seen pictures of.



The point of all this? Just that unless you have been at this for a while, it's pretty difficult for someone to go for one of the high-end products. Will I try Klasse or Zaino? Definitely. As soon as I have a brand new car. But by then, I would have tried everything I can on this one and am no longer in practice mode.
 
I'm surprised that nobody has brought up the UV protection factor. Sealants offer protection while Carnauba does not. Depending on where you live, garaged or ungaraged, length of ownership of the car etc will determine whether you actually need the UV protection. I think the sealants look great, just different than wax....except for BF which is pretty darn close. Application is almost the same as using wax....I don't think you have to be a genius to use the Zaino system or Klasse. I personally like to mix things up from time to time, but I think that I will keep a base layer of a sealant for the UV protection because I live in S Florida...strong sun!!



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Mugenman said:
I´am also in love with carnauba, I generally use #26, but, may I suggest you try 3M perfect it show car paste wax?



I like to use it every once in a while, it leaves a rich, wet looking very reflective shine, and lasts a good while, I wax around twice a month, and use # for 2 or 3 times, then one time the 3M one.....I think it is a very good product, and smells so nice :):)



I've used the 3M paste wax also. Pretty good shine, but it doesn't last nearly as long as #26 in my experience. It tends to streak a bit also-some QD takes care of it, though.



After using Pinnacle Paste Glaz and Souveran, though, everything else looks rather pedestrian.
 
carnauba offers uv protection just not as much and for not as long, but carnauba users apply frequently to make up for it
 
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