Opti-Seal and S100 Carnauba

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CharlesW

The Rainmaker
Just another one of my crazy ideas, but.......

Optimum Opti-Seal seems to look good, lasts long enough and is easy to use.

S100 Carnauba seems to look good, lasts long enough and is easy to use.

See where this is going yet? :D

Since the OS is supposed to be compatible with a carnauba such as S100, a logical thing would be to use the two products more or less alternately, right?
The fact that I have both products does have some bearing on their being the products of choice.

I could have the best of both the sealant and the carnauba worlds and not have to worry about needing to use a paint cleaner prior to adding more sealant.
In fact I could use my DG Aqua Wax any time I felt like it as well without really upsetting things. :)

What am I missing and what are some opinions of others on this idea.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
The only thing that would concern me is the difficulty with bonding a sealant over a carnauba.
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That was one of my main reasons for not topping a sealant with carnauba in the past.
The WOWA sealants or at least OS, claim to not have the bonding problem usually associated with a sealant.

Some comments from the Optimum message board:
Answers by Ron Harris, Optimum message board administrator.

Q- Does Opti-seal lock in my Carnauba?
A- No. The solvents will dissolves carnauba floating it to the top of the Opti-Seal. This fact holds true with any solvent based WOWA sealant.
The carnauba is not removed just repositioned.

Q- So how do you recommend using Opti-Seal with carnauba, or do you? Should you top the Opti-Seal with a carnauba (paste, liquid) if you want the carnauba look or should you top the carnauba with the Opti-Seal for durability?
A- Both methods in theory should give the same results. If it were me I would apply the Carnauba first.
Doing this will help the foam applicator pad glide across the paint much easier.
 
That just doesn't seem like sound advice. Yeah, the surface will be slicker... It will have all those bonding inhibiting oils floating around. If the surface is properly clayed and polished first, wouldn't it be just as slick? I dunno.... the whole idea of layering a sealant over a carnauba just doesn't sound right to me. I've seen a lot of manufactuers give some pretty crazy advice about how to use their products that don't always make sense, but sometimes they know things that we don't know. I'd really like an answer to a direct question of why the carnauba doesn't impact the sealant from bonding properly to the paint. That would be interesting to read.
 
I have no idea if the bonding is or is not an issue, but I do know that both Zaino CS and Optimum OS is supposed to work good over a carnauba. I would guess that Ultima is supposed to do the same thing.

I'll probably try it, but I won't know if the durability is affected unless it won't make the 4 to 6 week mark. :D
The S100 alone, the OS alone, even the Aqua Wax alone would probably make it as long as I need. :)
 
This is an interesting topic, Charles. I have written in other forums about my thoughts on WOWA sealants. It really is a leap of faith for me to believe that so little product creates such a terrific protective barrier. Since I have actively used the less is more application method with almost every product of late, I guess I need to just go and apply according to manufacturers direction and see where it leads.

Your thread about the mixing of WOWA and carnuaba's will most likely get me to pull my waxes off the shelf and see if it really works to alternately layer the two products. It certainly gives me visions of the best possible world of warmth, shine, and clarity.
 
cwcad said:
This is an interesting topic, Charles. I have written in other forums about my thoughts on WOWA sealants. It really is a leap of faith for me to believe that so little product creates such a terrific protective barrier. Since I have actively used the less is more application method with almost every product of late, I guess I need to just go and apply according to manufacturers direction and see where it leads.

Your thread about the mixing of WOWA and carnuaba's will most likely get me to pull my waxes off the shelf and see if it really works to alternately layer the two products. It certainly gives me visions of the best possible world of warmth, shine, and clarity.
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CW:
I'm not sure if you have used the Zaino CS, (I haven't and won't be), but the Opti Seal does seem to work very good. I have used it several times after polishing with Poli Seal and the look is quite good to me. It really doesn't need a topper for appearance to satisfy me. I'm thinking that the carnauba would offer a different kind of protection, (bird bombs, water spots), plus it would give me a place to use up some products that are just setting on the shelf.
The OS is probably a 10 minute application so it wouldn't be a problem to use it often.
The boat you saw this fall was polished with Poli Seal and had Opti Seal applied in May of last year. It still looked pretty good in September. The boat did have Aqua Wax used on the top, (horizontal areas), during the year, but the sides, (vertical area), had just the Opti Seal from May.
The Zaino CS will probably be very comparable. I just don't happen to use anything that starts with "Z". :D
 
Yes Charles I have used ZCS and OOS and found them to be adequate. As I stated earlier it is a leap of my faith to think that these products protect as well as my favorite LSP's. Honestly, I am trying to believe.

In fact I have been talking about OOS to a friend of mine here in Texas. He was so intriqued that he asked if he could try it out on his well maintained SUV. WOWA was very intersting to him because he is hobbled by bad knee's but is still willing to put forth effort to keep his vehicle clean. Just was wanting to do a little bit less and still get protection.

So far my only complaint is the WOWA products do not seem to be as slick as my bench mark sealant. Is this necessary ...probably not... but it is an attribute to which I like in my LSP's.

I have yet to apply Ultima on my vehicles but do have it in my arsenal and will be testing it in the near future. I am going to use it without my wife's knowledge and see if she can see/feel a difference after it is applied or if she even notices the difference compared to what is her prefered choice. She has always picked her favorite sealant in previous test that I have involved her with. But this time she will not know that it is a different product on her vehicle. I hate tricking her but it is in the interest of better detailing that I justify this little deception. I really want her opinion with out any preconcieved notions skewing her opinion. To be honest I think that she will notice it immediately but only time will tell.
 
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