Decided on Blackfire... Love the results!

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TXREGUY

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Hello all -



I did some snooping around and decided on BlackFire over Zaino. Everyone over at http://www.acura-cl.com seems to be in love with Zaino. So, I decided to be a rebel and go against the trend. :D



Anyway, I love the results so far. It was easy to apply, easy to take off. I haven't noticed the massive dust accumulating on the car, as some people have said.



Anyway, here are some pics.



Enjoy and thanks. This site is pretty cool.
 
That looks pretty snazzy!!



Good work, but keep us posted on your long-term results, if you don't mind!



:wavey
 
>I did some snooping around and decided on BlackFire over Zaino.



Scrib, could you please clarify? Did you decide to use BF instead of Zaino, or are you applying BF over Zaino???



I'm interpreting your post the first way, but I just wanted to know for sure. I've been experimenting with applying Zaino over BF and Klasse.



Your car looks great -- I'm starting to like that color of blue a lot. I saw a shiny dark blue car coming home tonght, and it really looked sharp.
 
Looks good, I've never used Blackfire (yet), Zaino user here. I had to laugh, you did a super job, but when I saw the name of the 1st attached picture (car1_black) thinking it was a black car and opened it up and saw a blue car......though to my self,,wow this is something, changed the car's color. Just funnin.......your ride look fantastic.
 
Great job!:xyxthumbs



Like Mike said, keep us updated on its durability/slickness, and don't use the BF wash:eek:



Just a heads up!
 
Dave N said:
>I did some snooping around and decided on BlackFire over Zaino.



Scrib, could you please clarify? Did you decide to use BF instead of Zaino, or are you applying BF over Zaino???



I'm interpreting your post the first way, but I just wanted to know for sure. I've been experimenting with applying Zaino over BF and Klasse.



Your car looks great -- I'm starting to like that color of blue a lot. I saw a shiny dark blue car coming home tonght, and it really looked sharp.
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Sorry... I decided to use BF INSTEAD of Zaino. :D



My bad...
 
Mass. Wine Guy said:
Scrib, which BF products did you use? I may like to try BF, but would want the equivalent of the Klasse AIO and SG.
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I got the polish, paint protectant and the QD spray. I'm not used to using such a small amount of product for a large area. But the stuff really works.
 
Here's another pic with a second coat of BF applied.



The pics. don't do the color justice. Even my wife mentioned that the car looks significantly different.



Thanks for all the comments. I'll be sure to keep everyone up-to-date on how things are going.
 
Several people have recommended topping with Souveran.

Remember topping with a carnuba is the same with Klasse, you can't add more layers to it and the carnuba will slowly break down the sealant.



I received my BF kit last week but Souveran by itself looks sooooo good on the car.:wavey
 
I've been using Blackfire for the last 5 or 6 months on my car. I've really been impressed with it. Durability seems to be up there a ways. I haven't ever been able to leave it alone for more than 3 or 4 months though. I just gotta keep layering it. That is the attitude of most of us though. I don't know anyone on this board that is going to spend $100 in detailing product and then just use it once it wears off. :)



I've topped Blackfire with Souveran and I couldn't be more impressed with the results. I had 5 layers of Blackfire and 4 or 5 layers of Souveran on it the last time. It looks amazing! I found that after a couple coats of carnuba that the dust problem lessens. I tried it last time with topping the BF with SG. Then I alternated PPG and Souveran every other layer for my topper. I've had zero dust problems. Just the normal dust that daily drivers pick up along the way. :) It looks great with that combo and I would recommend it to anyone that is looking at mixing products that way. Great looking car, by the way!
 
webviper said:
Several people have recommended topping with Souveran.

Remember topping with a carnuba is the same with Klasse, you can't add more layers to it and the carnuba will slowly break down the sealant.



I received my BF kit last week but Souveran by itself looks sooooo good on the car.:wavey
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What causes it to break down the sealant?
 
kellyrudnick said:




What causes it to break down the sealant?
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Carnauba waxes (or any wax for that matter) contain a good amount of dimethyl silicone oil, which over time can have an adverse effect on crosslinked polymers that the oil is in contact with.



However, with BF (& to a lesser extent Klasse SG), this doesn't really matter because it's already loaded with silicone oil. I think this 'breaking down of the sealant' applies more to Zaino, which doesn't contain any oils.



I've tried BF before and was very impressed with the shine. I guess my next experiment is going to be using BF instead of Meguiar's glaze as a base to Blitz & P21S. Jngrbrd & bretfraz have convinced me to try it out!
 
Did anyone ever experience hazing with BF? I'd like to try BF too to see how it looks on a black 15 yr old single stage paint.



How BF polish or Paint protectant do you have to apply on panels? a nickel size dab on each panel like AIO/SG?
 
Blackmirror said:
Did anyone ever experience hazing with BF? I'd like to try BF too to see how it looks on a black 15 yr old single stage paint.



How BF polish or Paint protectant do you have to apply on panels? a nickel size dab on each panel like AIO/SG?
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I didn't notice any hazing while taking the polish & wax off. This morning, I didn't notice any hazing as well.



And yes, a nickel size dab is what is recommended.
 
kellyrudnick said:




What causes it to break down the sealant?
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I don't believe it's the oils in carnauba that break down a sealant, but rather the solvents, which then lead to the oils penetrating underneath. Nearly all carnaubas contain solvents about 75% or greater by volume, and some of these solvents are "heavy", meaning they are pretty strong. But, even the less "heavy" type still will have negative effects on a sealant. It's these solvents that cause break down, leading to the other problem of oils and silicones penetrating.... The oils and silicones by themselves aren't stong enough to break anything down, but will definitely interfere with the bonding process with polymers.



At least, this is the way I understand it.....



:wavey
 
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