Wasatch
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Anyone use this stuff? Any durability? Tell me what you think of it. Thanks.
1Z Wax Polish Soft and Express Polish
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Accumulator
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Only tried the WPS. I found it about the same as the consumer version of MP, guess the differences were a bit too subtle for me to discern 
Maybe a little better concealing ability. Didn't last long (if you accept beading as an indicator) when untopped, maybe three weeks. I last used it as the penultimate step on my wife's A8 (before the #16) and it did seem to add a little something compared to just going from the final polishing (3M PI-III MG, IIRC) straight to the LSP. Worked nicely in the doorjambs/etc. as a cleaner wax. Not quite functionally nonabrasive, but mighty close unless maybe if you used it with a rotary. Just subjectively, it was a product I liked using. Dunno if they still make it, they got rid of a whole *bunch* of their product line, at least in the US.
Maybe a little better concealing ability. Didn't last long (if you accept beading as an indicator) when untopped, maybe three weeks. I last used it as the penultimate step on my wife's A8 (before the #16) and it did seem to add a little something compared to just going from the final polishing (3M PI-III MG, IIRC) straight to the LSP. Worked nicely in the doorjambs/etc. as a cleaner wax. Not quite functionally nonabrasive, but mighty close unless maybe if you used it with a rotary. Just subjectively, it was a product I liked using. Dunno if they still make it, they got rid of a whole *bunch* of their product line, at least in the US.
Wasatch
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Thanks for the info Accumulator. I had a feeling you used this product before just was not sure. It still is available. I have a sample of MPW and Glanz. I really liked the PP easy on/easy off, left the paint mighty shiny and clean. The smell is a little bit to chemical though. Was just thinking about getting some of the 1Z products in the future. The Express Polish is suppose to be a one-step product which I can use once in awhile. Would like to know how durable it is though. I would top either with a carnauba or Glanz. Thanks again.
Wasatch
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SamIam said:
So you have tried the Express Polish? What kind of durablility did you get?
Accumulator
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When I last called 1Z North America (to check on which products were being discontinued), the nice and very helpful guy I spoke with seemed sorta hard-pressed to come up with reasons why they have all these similar products. He basically implied that the redundancy was why they were streamlining their product line. When I asked "why use x instead of y I got the feeling he felt a little sheepish about the company lines regarding the trivial differences; it was like he knew he was splitting hairs to the point of almost BSing.
It was this conversation that lead me to *not* buy the Express...I couldn't figure out any reason why I'd want it instead of the MP or the WPS. I kinda bought the WPS just because I thought they were gonna quit handling it and it sounded like a "better" (yeah, I know that's utterly vague
) version of the MP. I wouldn't expect much durability from any of these.
IIRC, the Express has fewer abrasives than the WPS and maybe even the MP (as in, what abrasives ) and has more "natural" waxes as opposed to synthetic ones. I find the WPS and MP to be functionally nonabrasive if used gently (which you can do as there's no need to break them down) anyhow and I think the abrasive components do more to make the products user-friendly than they do to make them able to do correction. Also, I like whatever blend of waxes they put in the MP and WPS and wasn't interested in using what sounded like an inferior product. But again, this is just how I remember a conversation that wasn't exactly all that rich in objective details.
It was this conversation that lead me to *not* buy the Express...I couldn't figure out any reason why I'd want it instead of the MP or the WPS. I kinda bought the WPS just because I thought they were gonna quit handling it and it sounded like a "better" (yeah, I know that's utterly vague
) version of the MP. I wouldn't expect much durability from any of these. IIRC, the Express has fewer abrasives than the WPS and maybe even the MP (as in, what abrasives
) and has more "natural" waxes as opposed to synthetic ones. I find the WPS and MP to be functionally nonabrasive if used gently (which you can do as there's no need to break them down) anyhow and I think the abrasive components do more to make the products user-friendly than they do to make them able to do correction. Also, I like whatever blend of waxes they put in the MP and WPS and wasn't interested in using what sounded like an inferior product. But again, this is just how I remember a conversation that wasn't exactly all that rich in objective details.
tom p.
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John, I've used the WPS, but I don't think it's intended as an LSP (regardless of stmts made by the mfr). I think you need to use a product like Glanz Wax afterwards. There is minimal longevity with just the WPS on its own.
I have both the WPS and the Metallic Polish. I prefer the WPS...it has a bit more oooomph, if I may. I hate to say it but these are both products that I'd categorize as EXCELLENT.
I have both the WPS and the Metallic Polish. I prefer the WPS...it has a bit more oooomph, if I may. I hate to say it but these are both products that I'd categorize as EXCELLENT.
Wasatch
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Thanks for the info guys. I guess I will just get the WPS and MPW and see how they both do for me. Like I said I will top these with either a carnauba or Glanz. Well actually I will use my sample of MPW before I buy either, but with my experience with PP I'm sure I will love both products and some other's they have.
Accumulator
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Alfisti- Yeah, I figure that the way the retrenched their distribution left a bad taste in many mouths. And I was kinda ticked off that they discontinued my beloved Pro version of MP.
Another strike against 1Z: I did find that I just couldn't get the results I wanted with Ultra/Paint Polishes on the black rent-a-Suburban I did last year :nixweiss. 3M and Meg's stuff worked like a charm; no idea why I couldn't get things to work out with the 1Z. The finish just came out gray/brown and milky looking under certain lighting, no such problems when I switched to the old 3M PI-III stuff. With all the GM paint being worked around here, things like that might be a factor too. I can see people sticking with products that work on everything, all the time. And then there's the whole "leaving wax behind" thing, which *can* sometimes be a legitimate concern.
Still, I'm with you. 1Z stuff is good and it's a shame it seems to be ignored these days. When a new member posted (just the other day) about his Benz 300SL showcar (repainted in Glasurit b/c) I thought that the MP would be just *perfect* to bring out the metallic. I fear it sounded like some off-the-wall advice since nobody's ever heard of 1Z the way they've heard of Meguiar's.
Another strike against 1Z: I did find that I just couldn't get the results I wanted with Ultra/Paint Polishes on the black rent-a-Suburban I did last year :nixweiss. 3M and Meg's stuff worked like a charm; no idea why I couldn't get things to work out with the 1Z. The finish just came out gray/brown and milky looking under certain lighting, no such problems when I switched to the old 3M PI-III stuff. With all the GM paint being worked around here, things like that might be a factor too. I can see people sticking with products that work on everything, all the time. And then there's the whole "leaving wax behind" thing, which *can* sometimes be a legitimate concern.
Still, I'm with you. 1Z stuff is good and it's a shame it seems to be ignored these days. When a new member posted (just the other day) about his Benz 300SL showcar (repainted in Glasurit b/c) I thought that the MP would be just *perfect* to bring out the metallic. I fear it sounded like some off-the-wall advice
since nobody's ever heard of 1Z the way they've heard of Meguiar's.What you say above is very true.
Additionaly, I find the Ultra and Paint Polish to contain quite soft abrasives (even the Ultra - very gritty but breaks down very quickly and finely). They work well in most cases, but on some paints - especially hard paint - they're not as effective. But when they work, boy do they leave a great result. And minimal dusting!
Additionaly, I find the Ultra and Paint Polish to contain quite soft abrasives (even the Ultra - very gritty but breaks down very quickly and finely). They work well in most cases, but on some paints - especially hard paint - they're not as effective. But when they work, boy do they leave a great result. And minimal dusting!
racingbeat
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1Z leather cleaner is still #1 in my book.
1Z cockpit premium is the best I've tried for interior cleaning.
and
1Z Tieplfelfnedkrer is the BEST tire dressing/dash protectant I have ever used.
when it comes to frequent detaling:
1Z for the inside
Finish Kare for the outside.
1Z cockpit premium is the best I've tried for interior cleaning.
and
1Z Tieplfelfnedkrer is the BEST tire dressing/dash protectant I have ever used.
when it comes to frequent detaling:
1Z for the inside
Finish Kare for the outside.
Wasatch
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Was thinking of getting a few other products from them, especially the cockpit premium and the vinyl/rubber protectant.
tom p.
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Completely off topic: :grinno:
1Z shampoos are fantastic!
The Cockpit Premium and Tiefenpfleger (sp??) are personal favorites and wonderful for weekly interior cleaning.
Is the 1Z product line hard to find nowadays?? Seems like a few of our favorite retailers have dropped them :think:
1Z shampoos are fantastic!
The Cockpit Premium and Tiefenpfleger (sp??) are personal favorites and wonderful for weekly interior cleaning.
Is the 1Z product line hard to find nowadays?? Seems like a few of our favorite retailers have dropped them :think:
Wasatch
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Pakshak carries them and a few other's, visit there website. 1Z will also sell to you via there website.
Accumulator
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petp- Similar but different The WPS has more correction ability and leaves actual wax behind. Leaves a much better shine and slickness too, at least IMO and hides stuff better too.
Speaking purely subjectively, I just wasn't impressed with the P21S GEPC but the WPS was something that made me say "hey, this is nice".
The WPS has more correction ability and leaves actual wax behind. Leaves a much better shine and slickness too, at least IMO and hides stuff better too.Speaking purely subjectively, I just wasn't impressed with the P21S GEPC but the WPS was something that made me say "hey, this is nice".
Accumulator
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Alfisti said:
Thought of this today when doing a quickie detail on my mechanic's 232K BMW 740. Pretty trashed car to say the least, but I wanted to do *something* for him as he takes good care of me. Used the Ultra by Cyclo and topped with Collinite. Sure didn't turn out great by Autopian standards (and a
to that concept anyhow ) but he's gonna be pleasantly surprised when he gets it back. Quickest and easiest thing I could think of to make for some kind of improvement.Accumulator said:petp- Similar but different
Speaking purely subjectively, I just wasn't impressed with the P21S GEPC but the WPS was something that made me say "hey, this is nice".
sheesh, i was all psyched to use GEPC and now this!!! :nervous2: :nervous2:
what would be a good carnuba LSP for WSP on a black metallic car? i was thinking of nattys blue.
thanks vm for your opinion!!!! :thx